Shanedk's invalid disproof of C-decay

Shanedk created a remarkable video in 2007 illustrating mathematically that C-decay was impossible. Now while it is true that C-decay is a ridiculous idea, it turns out that further scrutiny of Shane's disproof reveals a fatal, non-recoverable flaw in his math.

I fully support Shane's attempt to rebuke creationist crap. However bad science does not need bad science to disprove it.

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[TheNikonSevast]

I am not satisfied with your logic because if the speed of light were decaying (not saying that it is) then RS would not equal XE in length. It would be over 28 times XE since his video said light had to average 28c (so going even faster at first) for the 6000 yr argument to work and we know c has not measurably changed over that 8 month period. Your video does not account for changing velocity.

[zebraone100]

@TheNikonSevast 5 min into my video is a step by step mathmatical proof that RS=XE. If you are going to argue that my logic is wrong, you MUST show which step is in error in that proof. As fun as it would be for RS to be bigger, it would change what we saw in 1987.

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Bottom line...the second bundle of light trails the first bundle by the ADDITION distance of its journey and we know how far that was. You can pretend it was larger, but you cant ignore its impact on the actual observation.

[BigCheese77]

@zebraone100 Since you ask, here is the exact step which is in error in your proof:

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At 8:40 you state that "Two objects traveling the same speed and time will travel the same distance." and you use this to establish that SR = XE. However, since Shane's proof assumes C-Decay, the two objects are NOT traveling at the same speed; the one in SR is going 784 times faster, which means that SR=784XE, meaning you have proved that Shane's proof works using geometry.

[zebraone100]

@BigCheese77 BOTH objects are light. If the speed of light was fast at any given time, both objects will travel at whatever the speed of light is at that time, and they will travel at the same speed as each other. It makes no difference which direction the bundles of light are traveling. They will both travel at the speed of light, whatever we want to imagine it was.

[hasseklas56]

This must be the stupidest video on the tube...

You actually ONLY put up the same proof Shane put up and you don´t even realize it!

[zebraone100]

@hasseklas56 That depends on which video you think this is a reply to. Shane recently made a video where his illustrations were probably inspired by this video. It was a good video demonstrating a large universe. Maybe that is the source of your confusion?

This vid is a response to a vid made about 3 years ago on the subject of C-Decay. Shane and I BOTH AGREE that C-Decay is absurd, but he made a simple error in reasoning when he put together his disproof. That is what this video addresses.

[kandtell]

@IloveYOUviruses Yes, I figured that is what you ment. My long rambling above can be summarized by saying "if that was the case we'd be able to see it". Also since c is a fundamental constant if its value was significantly higher the universe would be different.

[IloveYOUviruses]

@kandtell nanah, don't misunderstand me, I don't propose gravity as the photon slower, I propose dark matter (or something alike) as that which "gets in the way" to slow down photons. I mention gravity because it is supossed that DM interact with massive objects and it will be located near clusters, galaxies, and obviously, the solar system in which we measure our local C value.

[kandtell]

5. Events in distant galaxies suggest that the speed of light is the same everywhere (and thus has been the same probably since the Big Bang). If Dark Matter affected the speed of light it should be different in different galaxies since different amounts of Dark Matter are present in different galaxies.

I should say that I can't quote references for most of this, much of it is my own personal speculation and could well be incorrect. I welcome researched corrections :)

[kandtell]

4. Similarly, it’s unlikely that non zero rest mass particles would all be affected in the same way. The speed of Particles in accelerators like the LHC is calculated based on c (i.e. the particles travel at almost, but not quite as fast as light). If our measurement of c was wrong all massive particles would have to have their speeds affected in exactly the same way. Any significant deviation would be noticeable.

[kandtell]

3. It’s highly unlikely that the speed of all zero (or near zero) rest mass particles would be affected in the same way, Neutrinos from SN1987a arrived at pretty much the same time that the photons did, that sounds highly unlikely to me if the speed of light is affected significantly by Dark Matter.

[kandtell]

2. There are so many galaxies in the universe that the light from many distant galaxies travels close to nearby galaxies before it reaches us. Thus the light from distant galaxies must (if the WIMP model is correct) travel through different amounts of dark matter to reach us. If Dark Matter did significantly slow down photons the light from different galaxies would travel to us at different speeds. This would have all sorts of consequences for our current model of the universe.

[kandtell]

1. Dark Matter has to be Dark. Take “WIMPS” for example, Weekly Interacting Massive Particles, obviously one of the most important things they must not be able to interact with is photons. Otherwise we’d be able to “see” them. For instance it’s thought to exist in halos around galaxies, but to be distorted from those halos by galaxies in collision. If it interacted with light I’d expect that to be obvious in the brightness of similar stars in different galaxies.

[kandtell]

cont...

Now, you could posit that something similar occurs with Dark Matter. A random No of collisions slows light by a random amount adding to a consistent speed in the same density of Dark Matter.

But it does not work for me for several reasons:

[kandtell]

@IloveYOUviruses

Photons are not slowed down by gravity, they are red/blue shifted by gravity.

The only known way matter slows down light is by getting in the way, which is why the speed of light in air is slower than the speed of light in a vacuum.

Although the speed of light in air is theoretically random since it depends on how many molecules get in the way in practice there are so many of them that the statistics result in the same speed every time (for the same pressure+temperature).