Ben McLeish talks TZM for the coming documentary "Perspectives on Contemporary Britain".

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"Ben McLeish interview for the coming documentary "Perspectives on contemporary Britain". This version was specially edited for The Zeitgeist Movement, since the one to be featured in the documentary will be considerably shorter in duration.

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[terasus4]

I love Peter Joseph but it is sooo beautiful to see emerging other articulate people in the movement. It makes them that much stronger. Can you imagine a politician talking like this? ....just making sense? Or the Pope? The Zeitgeist movement is passing the test of time better than I could imagine. I never thought that reason and critical thinking and science would make me feel so spiritual.

[Uribaani]

*Shudder* How many people fail at simple reading comprehension of tuzmor's comment? Seriously...

[shaktiX]

@BRYAN351 What you say makes sense if the world only had "entrepreneurs" and "slackers" but in reality most people anywhere are just "workers" They work most of their lives away usually in the same job to achieve some standard of living. You think everyone has the same opportunities, that everyone can become an entrepreneur if they just work hard? You're blinded by your own success economic equality WOULD be unfair to entrepreneurs but fair to EVERYONE ELSE.

[InContemplation]

@BRYAN351 3. Even if everything you said was true, it would have absolutely no bearing on the validity of the logic, or facts being presented. You have yet to construct a single cohesive argument that nullifies anything I said.

[InContemplation]

@BRYAN351 Where do I even begin...

1. Assuming an ideology is held because of status or money control is completely erroneous. Intellectual honesty or dishonesty can arise from several factors.

2. "The only people that advocate getting rid of money and property are people that don't fucking have any money or property." Bullshit, several people who advocate for various alternative systems in activist circles come from well connected families.

3. (cont)

[BRYAN351]

@shaktiX Diversity in human traits doesn't mean they "need" to be economically diverse, it means they WILL be economically diverse. Anyone that denies this fact of life is suffering from envy.

Some people are SLACKERS, some people are GO-GETTERS. I've known many of both in my 43 years. Someone who sleeps 'til noon, spends his days playing XBox and jacking off to porn, and whose only ambition is to suck on the government tit, doesn't deserve what a hard working entrepreneur has earned.

[BRYAN351]

@InContemplation The only people that advocate getting rid of money and property are people that don't fucking have any money or property. Nay, you say? I'd love to know the average net worth of all you Venus Project cheerleaders. I bet it's a NEGATIVE number (that means your debts exceed your assets).

[shaktiX]

@BRYAN351 cont. And just because people are diverse in personality, talents and even intelligence dont mean they need to be economically diverse. That way of looking at things is what creates 'slackers' or 'producers' or a class lives off the work of others. People should get rid of all pointless jobs like the whole finance sector, and do things that actually produce real things for humans. And with so many people there will be less work individually. Dont have to work just to live.

[shaktiX]

@BRYAN351 you dont support communism, you support FREEDOM? LOL are you an ad for the US army if you think human nature is some set thing while saying how diverse people are you dont know what you're talking about, secondly if you think communism failed because of human nature you need to read more, then you will find it succeeded as well as failed. To put it simply it has failed in some places simply because its been attacked by outside capitalist forces. cont.

[InContemplation]

@BRYAN351 Money differentiates based on the scarcity of the product/ service being sold. Given the technology we have at our disposal, scarcity could be eliminated within the month if money was taken from the equation.

I dont think the same government with finance ties with the banking cartels and major corporations who've been quick to ignore civil liberties should control the money.

Also, I wasnt speaking of property rights being rendered obsolete, but the necessity of property.

[BRYAN351]

@jazzysaravana Everything on planet Earth is finite. If there's no money and prices to distribute goods and services, then a government rations them out as it sees fit. You want to see scarcity? Take a look back at the bread and toilet paper lines in the former USSR.

For machines to replace 100% of human jobs, they would need mental and physical abilities equal to humans. That would make them our slaves. "The Terminator" and "Battlestar Galactica" gave us a chilling view of this.