William Lane Craig vs Ronald De Sousa 15/16 (York University)

Does God Exist? Professors William Lane Craig and Ronald De Sousa debate. Sponsored by Campus for Christ. Hosted by York University

From William Lane Craig's Ontario Universities Debate Tour.

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[agnostaxian]

In Pam Reynold's NDE she was brain dead, no blood in the brain, the brain wasn't working, like a car without oil, dead, and she describes acurately her own operation down to details. This fits very well into a religious worldview not so much into a naturalistic atheistic one.

[ivanisavich]

Thanks for uploading these!

[94jmcorrea]

@agnostaxian tell that to an Alzheimer patient

[agnostaxian]

@94jmcorrea i have read some neuroscience and read the naturalistic explanations and i am not convinced. the people who had these experiences also think that it was not all in their minds. many have had hallucinations through drugs and other things and it just doesn't fit but i understand if someone is skeptical but if you had the experience yourself, you may think differently. :)

[94jmcorrea]

@agnostaxian they might think they have, but the science behind him is well understood... I have only 400 characters here, so go and read some neuroscience before making patently ignorant statements

[agnostaxian]

@94jmcorrea i disagree :), many who have died and come back would also disagree and unlike us, they have a firsthand experience of death

[94jmcorrea]

@agnostaxian in the millions of cases of death every year the brain stops working and the person dies, and all their knowledge, feelings, thoughts, hopes disappear, this fits perfectly with the naturalistic worldview

[agnostaxian]

@unapologeticmind i respect that, i understand what u r saying

[unapologeticmind]

@agnostaxian I wouldn't call myself a naturalist. Naturalists agree with "supernaturalists" about the different nature of natural and (hypothetical) supernatural events. Both the believer and the atheist would after witnessing and confirming a "miraculous" event agree on it being supernatural. I don't agree with this initial premise. Any external input into any closed system could in that case qualify as a supernatural event. It's a matter of definition, obviously, but definitions are important.

[agnostaxian]

@unapologeticmind yes, anything that occurs a naturalist would interpret from that presupposition 

[unapologeticmind]

@agnostaxian The word "supernatural" often implies something mystical or inexplainable. I don't really believe in a division between natural and "supernatural" events. If an advanced civilization living in another universe were to beam an Easter Bunny into our universe, then that event would hardly merit the use of the word supernatural. It would just be the interplay of two laws of the same nature. The same thing is true if a God outside our universe willed something into being in our universe.

[agnostaxian]

@unapologeticmind thats fine, that is ur presupposition but i am open to a supernatural interpretation and there are things that i think cannot be explained naturally, many nde's fall into this.

it is funny because i was watching a show where people thought a parallel universe collided with ours to cause the big bang, why cant it be the finger of god? just a thought