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[agent471044]

@ogith interesting i din know that....thats just wrong.

my view still stands. just like any other religion, anyone can have different interpretation. but it doesn mean that you should stereotype and say islam is the root of that problem. just like the saw lawyers find loopwholes in a law to meet his end goal. and since religion is one banner all follows will follow, organizations like al-kayda n catholid church live on manipulation. doesn mean islam or any other belief is the problem. its us

[ogith]

@agent471044

"its 2012...they are not here!!! "

I'd like to live in your world.

It must be a magical place where everyone are nice, nothing bad happens to good people, and the bad things people say can't possibly be true, because the world is just too pretty and happy for that.

Sadly, that's not the case, and slavery is still very much prevalent, many times in muslim nations that use the Quran as justification. Mauritania alone still has an estimated 600000 slaves.

[agent471044]

@ogith dude, it is mention in the verses i quoted that you are forbidden to sleep with ANYONE without marriage, hence u cant sleep with slave without marriage

i know what google says. but srsly, read the quotes i just gave u

and y r we talking about slaves, its 2012...they are not here!!!

[ogith]

@agent471044

I'm going to say bye bye now, because this discussion and what I've found believers say has disturbed me immensely. If I continue, I fear I'll have an even worse view on islam...

"Either you haven't studied Quran or haven't understood it. By the way do you speak Arabic, is Arabic your first language? Or have you read the translation of Quran or just 'heard' from someone as you said that men can have sexual relations with women only under the bond of marriage?"

[ogith]

@agent471044

The book mentions the "right hand" business too. And that women are worth half a man in testimonial issues. And that men can have many wives and sleep with slaves, while women can have only one man and may never sleep with slaves. That men may hit their wives, yet wives may not hit their husbands. etc

I have admittedly not read the whole Quran (very repetitive and disturbing) but Muhammad supposedly deems women less worthy/likely to reach heaven, or somesuch.

[ogith]

@agent471044

No, it doesn't say that at all. It doesn't marriage to slaves at all. It mentions marriage to freed women, but it explicitly says that you can sleep with your slaves. No marriage involved. They are property, so therefore you can do as you please.

Just google it man. If you are disturbed by the thought of slaves being considered property for sexual whims, then you won't like what you find. I know I certainly didn't.

[agent471044]

@ogith regarding finding info about equality. don read stuff from forums and place. read the Book. you can find english translation

[ogith]

@agent471044

We already brought that up, and the quotes you posted explicitly give an exception to this. You can only sleep with your wife, and those your right hand possess

This is not a matter of making up my mind, this is what is says. That's why I was so confused by what you posted. If I had just made up my mind, I'd have ended this conversation and not even begun it to begin with

I'm looking through sources to see if its Zina, and the verdict is that sex with slaves isn't

[agent471044]

@ogith so i have taken out protitution, rape and if both person wants sex, they should first have marriage......so the only way to have sex with a slave is by marriage. i don see what the problem is will having sex with slave. its absolutely ok to fall in love or desire sex from a slave. its called being human! humans and dolphines are the only two creature who have sex for pleasure!!!

[agent471044]

@ogith if the slave wants it, its not forcing, marry her. n if u marry her she no loonger slave