Nations Are Real

I was on the radio on 19 January 2010 on a show called 'Free Talk Live' out of New Hampshire and argued that while involuntary governments are definitely illegitimate, nations are real. It went well and I wanted to share with y'all.

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[DixieOfDeKalbCounty]

haha this is a mix of NH freestating and dixie! i love it, good poast, we have alot of northern supporters, they just dont know it.

[Drakomis]

Great Job! Once again you come out on top and keep your information straight-forward and stand firm on your opinion. I continue to enjoy your videos.

[inkstersco]

One paints oneself into a corner by discussing nations as 'what we have in common' -- such a position will always appear weak because we often have more personally in common with people on the other side of the world than with our neighbours. The objective reality of nationhood can be found by looking not at what people have in common but what goes on _between_ dissimilar people. The culture of nation x isn't something which is replicated once per member of nation x.

[AgentCarter]

well, rather than ask more questions, ill just watch the video when you make it

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter I would imagine it would start out on a democratic basis. Towns & counties could start symbolically seceding from the US. They wouldn't be recognised, but it would be important symbolically. A county is not sovereign (in American political theory). They get their power from the State. So, while I support county secession, it wouldn't be recognised as official. However, it could push States towards seceding.

I need to do a video on this. Thanks for your interest in it.

[AgentCarter]

but the main question i have, is how would you go about doing this? would you take votes by counties? if so, could that leave seceded counties basically completely surrounded by US territory? or would they have to be contiguous?

also, suppose the majority of a county votes to secede. what happens to those in the county who vote against it? can they remain US citizens and ignore the change or would they be required to kind of "move back to the US"?

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter Yes, I would like to see communities of people, towns, counties, states, etc. start seceding from the US as soon as possible. A first good step would be to start nullifying Federal legislations, asking military units to leave their area and symbolically removing Federal flags.

I would recommend reading a little Murray Rothbard as a good instroduction to anti-statism. He was a traditional-minded man but demonstrated that the state is a parasitical, criminal organisation.

[AgentCarter]

well would you wish for southerns (or at least some south carolinians) to form together communities and secede from the US?

i havent read those authors, that could be why i dont really understand your goal or "best case scenario"

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter I don't think that it's going to start like this. I described a long-term goal abd best case scenario. I think it's going to start with the States seceding from the Federal Government. Have you read Murray Rothbard, Hans-Hermann Hoppe or Gustave de Molinari?

Let me also say that nations are nations whether they are independent & free or not. A nation can be occupied & forced to live under a central gov't not of the people's choosing. We shouldn't confuse nation & government.

[AgentCarter]

but lets jut for an example, use a town in south carolina. lets say half the south wishes to be a part of your nation-like community of property owners and the other half wishes to remain part of the untied states. dont you think it would be problematic to have two neighbors in which one is subject to US law and the other to your new nations laws? or would you require that entire counties secede from the US, and those living in the counties against it would have to move to be part of the US?

[RedShirtArmy]

@AgentCarter Except that property owners could est. "borders." In other words, if a community of property owners want to get together and est. rules in their areas, that's their decision. I would guess that this would be common. As far as "US laws," they are not really any permenant natural laws. US legislation changes by the day & is made up of millions of rules, codes, etc. It's as bogus as is the US itself. Completely artificial.

[AgentCarter]

so do you propose a voluntary nation-like set of people that existing in north america with no specific boundaries in which people can choose to be a part of? is that the type of southern independence you speak of? basically not having to follow US law (while still living in a territory claimed by it) almost the way indian reservations function?