Straw-jectification

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• objectification
• attraction
• feminism

[Sarahon06]

Only a handful of reasons I bother logging on here anymore and this channel is one of those reasons. Favorited.

[Divinity33372]

@Sarahon06 Aw, thanks. That means a lot to me luv.

[SickMouth]

*Bows to your feet.* Why do I feel the strong urge to buy you dinner and sit with you and talk for FOREVER?! :)

[thethegreenmachine]

It makes sense to me.  The filter makes that @9:47 look really funny btw.

[Shezmu]

While I do agree with the general point of this video, I do wonder what you consider to be the ethical difference between giving a woman the eye and... 9:45? Is it that the latter is less subtle than the former? That doesn't sound convincing to me.

Note that I'm not saying that the latter is appropriate, just looking for what you think is the difference here.

[Shezmu]

@m0ufin - I'd say that grabbing a person's ass is a hell of a different thing entirely from merely looking at a person. It's valid to take issue with unwanted touching, it is invalid, not to mention insane, to have a problem with someone merely looking at you, even if they are committing the disgusting act of having sexual thoughts of you.

[jffryh]

is it ok if man asks a woman he hasn't met for permission to grab her ass.

is it wrong for a guy to to say to woman he hasn't met that he likes her tits.

how well does a guy need to know a girl before it's ok to start to talk about sex. Vile gesture with the tongue is vile only because christian society tells us that sex is vile. Maybe aggressiveness comes from men not getting distinction btween objectification&attraction,&fe­eling angry;learning it's not nice to objectify,but nice finish last.

[jffryh]

men accuse women of objectifying themselves only sarcasticly to point out how objectification is a stupid concept. Men don't accuse other men of objectifying themselves because men don't complain about being objectified.

catch 22: Can't appreciate a woman's thoughts&feelings until you get her to talk to you, with only appearance to go on, can't talk about appearance 'cause objectification. If platonic reason to talk, business only

Only thing that matters is climate change

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[HiAdrian]

Very good video.

As a guy you experience this so rarely, and girls appear to try to get your attention, in a way presenting themselves, rather than looking like they plan to devour you. The only times I experienced that uncomfortable objectification was in the presence of the occasional greasy gay man with an "odd" smile on his face. It allows one to relate to what some women talk about; not a good feeling.

p.s. The way you say "that bothers me" at 9:50 reminds me of Richard Feynman :P

[m0ufin]

I'm a little confused. I agree with the stance, but not with the argument used to justify it in this case.

Your argument is that grabbing your ass shows little regard for how you might think/feel and that they are unaware of your consent. On the flip side, what if I don't wish to be looked at sexually? What if that upsets me? You can't say, "well it's based on my discretion", because that's too flimsy.

[Asehpe]

(CONT & END) So, Div, I wonder if "objectification" doesn't in the end boil down to "extreme disrespect" (ignoring a person's humanity) AS SEEN BY a specific culture -- and therefore not so much a "natural phenomenon" as a cultural one. And one in which mistakes happen: guys who meant to be simply appreciative are mistaken for disrespectful (because of cultural and/or personality differences), which is a problem with "objectification" being such an important issue in America. What do you think?

[Asehpe]

(CONT). In my country, Brazil, for instance, men are SUPPOSED to pay more obvious attention to women's bodies (by looking, whistling, making comments, etc.) than in America -- women may get sad or slightly offended if they don't "turn men's heads". In America, however, things like the "elevator look" are already supposed to be 'inherently' disrespectful. (This can be sometimes quite bewildering to Brazilians in America, both men and women, by the way.)

[Asehpe]

@Asehpe (CONT) So what I thought once was that the basis of 'objectification' is simply DISRESPECT, i.e. failing to treat someone in the way that humans are supposed to treat each other. HOW this disrespect is expressed -- whether looking appreciatively at someone's body, or touching said body, already constitutes disrespect -- depends on the cultural EXPECTATIONS about how people should show proper respect for each other. And this varies from culture to culture.

[Asehpe]

@Divinity33372, great vid, as always, Div! I see one problem, though: you make objectification be too 'clear' and 'firm', 'set in stone'. I think it's also largely cultural. Example: you say you don't mind if men look at you, but you do if they grab your ass. Well, a different culture might say (that's what America seems to be turning into) that looking is as disrespectful (and therefore as objectifying) as ass-grabbing. And another culture might consider ass-grabbing as rather playful.