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Paul Ryan: "What side of history do you want to be on?"

Wisconsin's First District Congressman Paul Ryan on the House floor debate on H.R. 3962 http://www.house.gov/ryan/h... http://www.facebook.com/rep... http://twitter.com/reppaulryan http://www.yout...  
 
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heisenbart (1 month ago) Show Hide
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The pressure medicine undergoes is perpetrated by the government. Clinton tried the same thing when he said that if we don't fix it NOW the economy will collapse. Stop this fearmongering. Ryan is pointing out the simple truths about this bill and yet all you want to do is obfuscate, complicate and defamate. Your gig is up, the people understand you are on the wrong side of history. Good bye Obamaoists by next elections.
lorezapocalypse (1 month ago) Show Hide
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I would have taken what you where saying seriously, but you called me an Obamaoist.
A person who would use that type of clueless name calling is not somebody whose politics I would consider. You have no idea what I believe beyond that I am critical of the Cato Institute's policy prescriptions, yet you are here with insulting labels and assumptions.
tomestubbs (1 month ago) Show Hide
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The corporatocracy& its influence-corruption over everything will make the economy collapse! Republicans R on the side of serving the vested interests of corporate power only they R the Fuck ups. And their time is up! You can go along w their unsustainable stupidity!Its about time for the Grand Old Pachyderms (GOP) to go the direction of the Woolly Mammoth. You got it so wrong!
tynews2001 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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Yes, Nnt all government involvement in the economy is the same. They all have varying degrees of negative seen and unseen consequences. College inflation is due to the government paying out huge sums for kids to go to college. Without these funds, market forces would bring down the cost. HC inflation is caused by the consumer being so distant from the actual cost of care. With Health Savings Accounts, people see the prices and in turn this allows for actual competition and prices will drop.
lorezapocalypse (1 month ago) Show Hide
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I think I probably should be defending my positive assertions more, because even if you are wrong that does not mean I am right, but I think your ideas are worth exploring. I hope thats ok with you.

So, your argument is that consumers being distant from the actual costs creates inflation. Putting the role of the government aside, are you supportive of the idea of insurance, the collective pooling of risk to mitigate the negative effects of unexpected events that have major financial costs?
tynews2001 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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Of course :) I love discussions.

Yes, when consumers do not take into account the cost of the goods they are buying because a third party is involved it increases the cost. It was Gov that created the wedge. Insurance is a good thing, yes. Its role, though, should only be for catastrophic events and not routine care. However, due to regulation (with the support of insurance companies), insurance now pays for everything which creates the wedge between the consumer and the cost.
lorezapocalypse (1 month ago) Show Hide
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Well I would argue that in fact, its the role of doctors and the fee per service model. Consumers cannot make rational decision about medical choices, because they don't have the medical expertise to make such determinations. The role of doctors is one of the way in which Medicine is unlike other industries.

Doctors because they are paid for each survive they do are incentivized to over prescribe unnecessary treatment or when treatment is necessary advocate the most expensive option.
tynews2001 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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Do you at least concede that the government has played a role in health care inflation?

Also this isn't true. Most consumers aren't experts on the majority of things they buy, and yet they are able to make good decisions. They can also consult others who do know more about it. See: "Who Says Consumers Can't Make Decisions?"

Doctors do not make it any different; they are just like the mechanic or any other industry.

If doctors do that, they will likely lose business. People will catch on.
lorezapocalypse (1 month ago) Show Hide
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I'm ideologically for or against the government, so if it is to blame for something I'm willing to concede that, but you have not put forward a convincing case. As I've said in the past being ideologically tied to a position means the government HAS to be to blame, not that it necessarily is.

Fee for service as one of the causes of healthcare inflation makes a whole lot of sense as it incentivizes extra and more expensive care.
tynews2001 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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It is hard to to convince anyone of any complicated issue in 500 characters. If you would like we could continue our conversation through messages which would allow for more lenience.

You act as if consumers can make no logical decisions on complex issues. You cut us short. You should read that article I showed you.

I am not saying government is to blame for all of our problems, however it is the cause of for a lot of them.

As I said, if doctors vastly over-care they will get caught.

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