MEN WITH DAY JOBS - Denial Tango

Funny, timely satirical song on climate denial - written & performed 2011 by Sydney group Men With Day Jobs: Kim Constable (bass), Rod Crundwell (piano), Stafford Sanders (guitar). Tony Abbott is Australia's denialist Opposition Leader; CSIRO its major science body. Host: Andrew Denniston of SongsOnStage. Nice video by Bill & Elaine Beggs. Our contact: menwithdayjobs(at)gmail(dot)com - listen/download more of our music at backpocketrecords(dot)com Also performed by "Eco-Diva" cabaret artist in US and Canada - 2 versions on YouTube.

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[GoreBullWarming]

Keep your day job

[Stafford Sanders]

Thanks, no risk about that! And we wish you a speedy recovery from being gored by that bull, we understand that can be very painful.

[Stafford Sanders]

If you hand everything over to big corporations you don't get smaller government, just less accountable government that leaves your most vulnerable out in the cold. Tax is not some dirty word, it's like paying membership fees for the shared benefits of something. Give me a good mixed economy with an active, engaged government every time.

[Rod Crundwell]

hmmmmm

[cbrhawk1]

I don't suggest we hand things over them, because in addition to industry being overtaxed, I also think it is oversubsidized, and that even includes fossil fuels.

Tax is not a dirty word, but there is a balance. Taxes should balance both the desirability to live in a particular region combined with the taxes of other nations. No more are people restricted to residing in a single country, so we have to be competitive in our taxes.

[cbrhawk1]

Evidence is used to prove your point, not to disprove mine. The fact that you speak of evidence for a negative shows that you don't understand the meaning of burden of proof, and that rests squarely on your shoulders.

[cbrhawk1]

That is what I meant to say, I just worded it poorly about minimum time for climate to change.

Data from different sources and estimating how that contributes to the ocean does not mean that the amount of energy contained in the oceans is a direct measurement. I'm not worried about statements that that website would make. Its purpose is to provide data points from many different instruments that are hard to find for free elsewhere.

"consensus" just means "my opinion" because that's what it is

[cbrhawk1]

(cont) I never said I don't need to bother with peer reviewed papers. I said that my rebuttles are responses to a particular claim of yours that you have attempted to validate. It is not my job to prove you wrong, it is your job to show why people should have confidence in particular claims.

Stick to climatologists and Earth scientists, not politicians and economists please. I do not cite blogs and non-reviewed sources. I expect the same out of you and anyone who makes a scientific claim.

[cbrhawk1]

You broke that line when you cite economists. I have cited papers only where needed. If you want a citation for a particular figure, I would be  happy to provide it to you if I have not already. What I DON'T want is for you to be bringing economists.

Your statement "There is a consensus beyond scientists" is not verifiable. There are many non-scientists who don't think that global warming is of great concern. Christopher Monckton, Anthony Watts, and countless others. (cont)

[hewhosits]

And the evidence says you're wrong. So, here we are back at the start. I will leave this discussion now because we're getting nowhere.