Life After Kant

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Uploaded by on Oct 1, 2008

essay by Andreas Weber and Francisco J. Varela about teleology and biology

http://www.springerlink.com/content/m117m1x05k73w356/

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  • So are Weber Varela trying to warn us to stay away from Kant? I've managed to stay away for about 40 years, not may people can say that. Good luck getting your life back on track. :-P

  • No, they are saying Kant stumbled upon our modern understanding of self-organization prior to the science being there to help him understand it.

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  • Can someone post the article on rapidshare? :D It would be very nice to read it. Thanks

  • the solar systems is a self organizing system. and though it doesn't exactly replicate, we might find that there are systems like it that do. i don't know. i'm not a scientist

  • you have only stumbold look back up

  • but not without an initial interaction with external stimuli. Without photons, RGCs have nothing for their Opsin or Rhodopsin to interact with, nothing which will cause a depolarization of their axon hillocks and no information to send to the visual cortex which consequently never develops. The photons determine the organizational structure of the brain in accordance with the physical laws of chemistry at play in the human brain. It is not a self-determining system.

  • Out of all those books... nothing on neurogenesis? The brain is shaped by DNA which itself has it's origins in the "external" world. To take a narrower view, it has it's origins in an organism that is not it and meiosis determines the nature of the DNA. The brain "shape" itself doesn't fully determine the function of the brain. External stimuli taken up in the senses establishes used computational systems while a process known as "pruning" discards unused pathways. This is all done internally...

  • I am not ignoring that, I am denying that it is a fact. The initial material structure of the system is not what is important; its ongoing process of self-organization is what I am referring to. This occurs endogenously and is not externally determined.

    I do not think it is correct to understand evolution as a fixed environment shaping an inert organism. Life is an active partner in a co-evolution with its environment. Both are constantly changed as a result of the other.

  • YouTube's comment threading is pathetic. Hard to believe this is a multi-billion dollar venture. Just ridiculous. (This is not a joke.)

  • You seem to be ignoring the fact that the initial structure of the system is defined by external stimuli.

  • My comment was a joke, Matt.

  • What if the rock chips, where does it break?

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