Imagine... A World Without God

Imagine...

Music 'The Door' by K.R. Ludlow

Category:

Music

Tags:

• atheism
• atheist
• agnostic
• agnosticism
• John
• Lennon
• logic
• reasoning
• God
• Jesus
• religion
• Christianity

[MCAMVP]

A world without religion does not mean a world without morals, rights or laws...

just a world with one less reason to start a fight

[MinstrelBear]

@MCAMVP Then tell me - without God, where did these 'morals' come from? Upon which lucky person's standard is the law based on?

[redband101]

seriously? This video you presented us with was absolutely insulting. I would go as far as to call it an abomination of logic. It is so riddled with careless flaws.

your very first controversial example: 9/11

this insulted me most of all. 9/11 happened because it was justified by religion as "right". It aggravates me so that a cretin of your par would use such a reversed and offensive example as this one to protect religion.

[MinstrelBear]

@redband101 I’m sorry if the video offended you – it was not meant to be an insult, only a presentation of the logical conclusions and implications of the atheistic belief.

As to 9/11, though, it’s true when you think about it - if there was no God and no judgement after death, then they would have gotten away with what they did Scott free. The only justice they would have faced is a nice long rest – which could hardly be called 'justice'.

[MCAMVP]

@MinstrelBear

Not really a standard, rather a behavioural pattern from which our standards developed:

Reciprocal altruism

In a(n underlying) broader sense: trial and error imbibed during evolutionary processes,

which in term means that this our rights, laws and morals are changing/evolving as well.

Also, I forgot to add in my 1st comment:

You see other animals forming sustainable groups not murdering each other despite their lack of a god figure, don't you? (

[supermonkey103]

@MinstrelBear No. I have understood it. I went to church every Sunday, they taught me about the Gospel, and at first, I believed it. But I found cracks in everything I saw, until it all disintegrated. And, I would rather prefer that you would logically counter my arguments than describing the obviously plagarized New Testament to me again.

[MinstrelBear]

@supermonkey103 From your questions and comments, it’s clear that you have completely misunderstood the gospel (i.e. our relationship with God, sin, Jesus’ sacrifice, salvation etc.) Would you like me to explain it to you?

[supermonkey103]

@MinstrelBear I fail to see how Christianity is at all practical. You may argue that it provides a moral standard for us to live on, but you don't need to be Christian to have morals. (Confucianism as a system of values arose independent from Christianity) So, if it is ineffective in teaching morals, and is ineffective in providing more pleasure in life, and is ineffective in teaching anything useful, then why follow it? You only have one life. Don't waste it listening to "Fire and Brimstone".

[supermonkey103]

@MinstrelBear If life is a test, then why is it that if you write "I love my grader so much" on the test sheet, you'll get an A+? It's complete nonsense.

[supermonkey103]

@MinstrelBear This is a perfect example of a tool to increase your religion's ego. Only Christians don't have to be judged, so thus, you have to be Christian. You could have murdered and been sentenced to life in jail, but then decided to become a Christian, and all of a sudden, NO CONSEQUENCES for the afterlife. Oh, hey, look, I just raped and murdered my wife... I suppose I'll just become Christian. That'll solve everything.