For All Creationists, Determinists & People With Similar Beliefs... [Re-Uploaded]

Regardless of whether you believe that God created you and 'Has A Plan' of which you are an active part, that everything in the Universe is 'Pre-Destined,' that there is no such thing as 'Free-Will' and/or that everything can be reduced to Biology, Neurology, Genetics, Chemistry, Physics or Mathematics, it's all about YOU.

You believe... You assume... You cannot believe... You cannot accept... You cannot understand.

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• Tide Goes Out Gravity

[TheNarcMan]

... a shortcoming of human nature that we don't, we could have predicted these events before hand. Seems obvious, every effect had a cause & each cause is the resulting effect of a prior cause. Just because we can't conceptualise the vast immenseness of the cosmos, which shouldn't surprise anyone, it doesn't mean there aren't unknown formulas or hidden chains of sequence predetermining even the psychological pathology of world leaders as none of them has ever entered existence from a vacuum.

[TheNarcMan]

The universe is deterministic but I'm not a determinist. James says that whether the universe is or isn't deterministic doesn't matter so people should stop talking about it & shut the fuck up. Ironically it was this discussion started by him that made me think about it.

I assume everyone has a grasp on cause & effect. With hindsight we can deconstruct even some of the most complex events & pin point how & why they happened. If we had full understanding of variables before hand, which is...

[janc71]

Answer me this: How can true random events give rise to free will? What is free about the choice I make if they are (partly) the result of randomness?

[Ileko1]

James? Do you believe in evolution? If you do, you are a disgusting person who thinks only the strongest of us survive and we all should compete for our own survival.

The thing is that you don't realise that I can do this appeal to emotion shit on evolton as you do on determenism. And your appeal to consequence also totally pointless.

What I said about evolution there is not how it works for us and what you said about determenism is not how it really works either.

[klootzakisme]

You mentionned determinism, but I haven't heard any vallid criticism on it. And I'm glad my computer doesn't have a ad hom counter, because jesus fucking christ, for a minute there I thought you would never end. You were on a killing spree.

Also, giving opinions without educating yourself on the subject isn't anything more than liking too hear yourself speak.

[Adroitism]

Fuck off from deists everywhere.

[volound]

"For All Creationists, Determinists"

"Determinists"

am i not correct im thinking that almost all physicists are either hard/soft determinists?

[TheNakedAtheist]

@shlockofgod-I guess you're "naked" then. LOL.

Actually the naked isn't referring to clothing at all. More like what you see is what you get.

[trick0171]

“Just because you feel insecure because you don't know how our will works…”

No psycho-babble please.

“… doesn't mean you get to just assume it doesn't exist. That's a positive claim and the burden is on you.”

I think the “will” exists. We “will” all of the time. Again, it is the “free” part that does not happen. And the burden is on the person claiming that the will is “free”. This is why it is called “FREE will” and not just “will”.

Thanks.

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[trick0171]

“Evidence suggests we are different from everything else because we can measure our beliefs agianst concepts and standards; that we have a self that to some degree has the ability to choose.”

And I never said we were not different or that we could not measure or that we do not make choices. Where you are getting that I’m not sure. We don’t, however, make FREE choices.

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