Calvinism, Arminianism, and the Atonement

Did Jesus die for everyone, or only for the elect?

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[JackMWolfe]

@bobcaldwell No big words - the bible teaches that man can't save himself, unless God intervened by providing Christ as a substitute sacrifice then his condition was hopeles, salvation is totally from God. That being said, the salvation process involves God convicting man of his sin & calling him to repentance, & those who CHOOSE to obey His call are then given to Christ for regeneration. God doesn't FORCE a relationship with Himself on anyone nor does deny it as Calvinism falsley teaches.

[bobcaldwellrocks]

Why do many of you have to use big words to impress others,we are not impressed,Calvinism is the Bible,and Salvation is of the Lord,did you choose Him or did He choose you?,If you want to be the author of your salvation,give it a shot,you choose Him,you save yourself,and while your at it,enjoy the Glory you think you have,that only God demands and deserves,put all the theology aside and get a grip God Saves,Him and Him alone,and I for one are thankful for that-Praise God!!

[TheKJVberean]

This is amazing, to think there is even a debate over the atonement.

[JackMWolfe]

@fractalfires Yes, it's important to learn Calvinspeak - the translation of "You're misrepresenting Calvinism" is "Stop exposing my doctrines to the light"

A: You're a fatalist

C: NO, I'm a compatibilist

A:You believe free will is irrelevant - God predestines some for salvation, others for damnation

C:God hates you, His secret will is to destroy you

A: Huh?

C:He must, otherwise you'd understand & become a Calvinist

A: I do understand it, that's why I'm an Arminian

[JackMWolfe]

@fractalfires Exactly, Calvinism is composed entirely of fallacious arguments & word games attempting to conceal its grotesque, unbiblical doctrines behind a flimsy facade of orthodoxy. The church at large has been remiss in allowing them to get away with the ruse - Calvinism is LONG overdue to be added to the scrapheap of refuted heresies & anyone who tolerates it, ignoring the deceptions & contradictions, will share the blame for the damage it causes within the Body of Christ. It's demonic.

[JackMWolfe]

@fractalfires Yes, the way Calvinists react to their opponents betrays the fact they don’t actually believe what they profess themselves. If God only enables the elect to believe they should expect most people to reject their teachings, instead they condemn their opponents for renouncing them, demanding they change their minds & accept their monstrosities - appealing to their free will which they deny even exists! Becoming a Calvinist is like getting brain cancer or a severe mental illness.

[apollos6640]

@jorgemacsparrow "WHEN were Moses or David atoned if Jesus had not on their time?"

Say what? Heb.10

For by one offering He has PERFECTED FOREVER those who ARE SANCTIFIED... but sanctification is an ongoing process... listen, "How much worse punishment do you think one will deserve who has...profane the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT by which HE WAS SANCTIFIED, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

For you have need of ENDURANCE, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised."

[jorgemacsparrow]

@apollos6640 So answer this, WHEN were Moises or David atoned if Jesus had not died on their time?

You said: "it would be accurate to say that the ELECT, have NEVER been "Dead in their trespasses & sins"." It is false. I suggest you study Calvinism before accusing.

[apollos6640]

@jorgemacsparrow In Calvinism, the ELECT are created & fashioned by God "before the foundation of the world" FOR Salvation, they walk the Earth not knowing they're SAVED because Jesus took the WRATH of God specifically for them, the ELECT on the cross.

Calvinists say Jesus didn't make Salvation"Possible" but that HE DID SAVE them--it would be accurate to say that the ELECT, have NEVER been "Dead in their trespasses & sins".

WHEN were they ever DEAD, since Jesus had ALREADY atoned them!?