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  • I recommend the actual health care system as I experienced in Canada, even though I was a foreigner there. I bet British is very similar to the Canadian. My supervisor had a triple bypass in his late sixties, did not have to wait for it as the American (One should say, USA-ian) propaganda keeps saying, and did not pay for it out of pocket.

  • Believe you me, I don't like the idea of socialized medicine any better then you. However, I don't think Obama's proposed system will be quite the totality of what Canada has. That said, I'm still apposed to increasing the size of the government even the 25% that's in the current legislation. Unfortunately, once a giant welfare-state of this proportion is institutionalized there's no going back.

  • fd3boost -

    I've read more than a few books, but thanks for the demand that I read another unnamed one.

    You seem to be talking about the US, which is not my country. We have different right-wingers here. You'd probably call our right-wingers "centralists". Soviet Canuckistan and all that.

    In Canada, no one goes bankrupt due to poor health; in the US, it's a leading reasons for bankrupt cases.

    You can believe it's a corpse-strewn hell-scape here, if that makes you happy, but it's bullshit.

  • The problem with healthcare is the government has created coercive monopolies and barred any real free market competition such as state to state health insurance.

    They admit that medicare and medicaid are broken and they are the ones running those programs yet you want to blame a "right winger"

    Read a book.

  • Show me the report that says Canada's medical care is "near the bottom". Seriously, produce this report.

    Before socialized health care, the rich had great care, true. The poor went bankrupt and made choices between food, rent or an operation, so it sucked for them. That's the truth of it.

  • I live in Toronto...

    I am talking about what's available/affordable for the average citizen. If you compare all the measurable statistics of things like doctor patient ratios, waiting times etc... Canada ranks near the bottom of the industrial world though it spends a lot more on it. Funnily enough Canada ranked much higher at virtually all those categories during the early seventies (before it was socialized). That's bad before evenconsidering the braindrain of doctors...

  • I've never waited 3 months to see a specialist, and I've seen plenty. Do you live in Inuktitut, perchance? In fact, I needed an appointment with my main specialist on Monday, and just booked an appointment for Thursday. What Canada do you live in?

    Also, your other examples aren't necessarily saying anything. I'm sure there's better care to be bought for exorbitant fees in, say, Switzerland. But what I am talking about is the care of the average citizen. In that sense, Canada ranks near the top.

  • I lived in 3 countries: Israel, UK and Canada... Canada was the worst by far in terms of healthcare, Israel the best. I also heard a similar example from Greeks. Notice I am talking about Greece and Israel, not Sweden and Norway.

    As Paul Martin whether he waits in line. When my dermatologist tells me that the only opening he has is in 3 months when something on my foot turns walking into hell... I doubt your claims of world class care.

  • Citizens are receiving world-class care. That's not a waste.

    "Go and see for yourself" assumes I haven't. You don't know me at all. I've received more health care than most, and it's all been good.

    Those who want to jump the queue would sell-out their fellow Canadians. I am in favour of a law making it so that all MPs, including the PM, are forced to queue up in the emergency room just like anyone else, and receive only public care. That way we'll see improvements fast.

  • cont:

    The money spent on Afghanistan, which is like a 5,000 men operation... doesn't come CLOSE to what's being wasted on healthcare.

    Canada has barely any security expenses... they are very very small... The reason why the Canadian healthcare is bad... is simple: government mismanagement.

    Nobody is trying to manufacture a problem... the problem is there. Don't believe me? Go and see for yourself

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