Broad Freedom of Association

A response to part of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWBRuAv-yN0

Category:

Education

Tags:

• libertarianism
• freedom
• association
• market
• anarchy
• private
• property

[BloodiCheeseCake]

I would tolerate a person choosing not associate with another person based on race, as long as I can chose not to associate with racists.

[Austrolibertarian]

@BloodiCheeseCake Agreed.

[AndroidPolitician]

The problem is discrimination would be an actual issue whereas someone being outraged (little old lady dying etc.) probably wouldn't happen as much.

[Austrolibertarian]

@AndroidPolitician Really? You don't have to take that example. See Westboro Baptist Church using freedom of speech for a case on point of how upset and outraged people can get over what those idiots say.

[AndroidPolitician]

@Austrolibertarian

Well yeah but that's not really my point. My point is we tolerate horrible opinions all the time (holocaust deniers, westboro church, neocons etc.) but their freedom of speech being allowed is nowhere near as bad as someone refusing medical care or refusing to serve someone based on discrimination.

Of course it extends to paying people less based on discrimination etc.

Hell even the UDHR addresses discrimination, it's just a fundemetal protection human beings should have

[Austrolibertarian]

@AndroidPolitician But I dispute the underlying assumption that any person is entitled to medical care or any similar thing. Medical care is not an abstract thing: it is a service provided by a person. No one should be entitled by law to the labor of another. That's indentured servitude at best or slavery at worst.

There's a flip side too. I don't think gay owners should be forced to allow homophobes on their premises, nor racial minorities forced to allow xenophobes, nor jews to allow Nazis.

[FlowCell]

This video has Eye Rape in it.

[Dylvente]

@leavesofliberty I don't think it should be legal for a business to discriminate based on customers' race. That has to include everyone. If people are threatening, as in the case you suggest, then they could be asked (or if necessary forced) to leave on those grounds.

[lengthyounarther]

This is beatiful, hope you make more libertarian videos again, they are usually pretty wonderful.

[RadioFreeWisconsin]

So, the solution to this hypothetical scenario would be would? Put a gun to the doctor's head and force him to carry out the operation?

[UnhealthySalad]

Brilliantly stated.

[leavesofliberty]

@Dylvente RACIST

[leavesofliberty]

@Dylvente OMG OMG how can you force a black business owner to serve people, KKK members, that want to lynch mob him??? You're horrible!