Re: Teilhard de Chardin.

Gould's false accusation: http://www.clarku.edu/~PILTDOWN/map_prim_suspects/Teilhard_de_Chardin/Chardin...

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[2bsirius]

"Sentimental to a lot of his ideas" Interesting word choice..."Sympathetic to his ideas?"

My problem with the substitution of faith for a process of reasoned investigation is that it allows a lot of jumps of logic Too many jumps IMHO.

If we discover that evolution ISN'T just change and necessity then it will become clear through investigative processes. Until it is possible to prove that, then we have to remain skeptical toward those who want to these supply answers.

Idealism is problematic.

[0ThouArtThat0]

It is an interesting word choice... unintentional, though. I did mean to say "...sympathetic to a lot of his ideas."

Scientific materialism can investigate the process of evolution as much as it wants, until it re-thinks its pre-suppositions--that evolving nature is only about random chance and arbitrary necessity--it will not be capable of discovering otherwise. It is not a matter of evidence, but of pre-observational bias. Teilhard has one, so does the materialistic establishment.

[hitssquad]

@jedimasterbooboo "Notice how Gould's articles are received without criticism in the "sci" community."

Eminent scientists don't take Gould seriously.

debunker. com/texts/jensen. html

"This charge of a social, value-laden science undoubtedly contains an element of truth. In recent years, however, we recognize this charge as the keystone of the Marxist interpretation"

"he has succeeded brilliantly in obfuscating all the important open questions that actually concern today's scientists."

[fareedfilms]

Interesting, id like to read these books, i still entirely disagree in human evolution, but respect others opinions.

[mcfirefly3]

Please see through this. You are young and naturally trying to grasp for a reason to see the world optimistically, but you have to look at all the implications of something before you call it good.

[mcfirefly3]

C.S. Lewis wrote a poem back before the fraud was publicly uncovered that refers to it as a fraud. Perhaps there was talk, or he just strongly felt it was another fraud. "We know more than bones can tell."

[mcfirefly3]

I don't know whether Teilhard was directly involved in the Piltdown fraud, or whether he would have passed on a deliberate fraud to sell his philosophy to the world. It would not have been the first time that was done, though.

[mlucci06]

''Teilhard de Chardin is in hell." Our Lady of The Roses 9/13/75

[pgm98387]

What are your thoughts on Lamarkian evolution, were patterns of developement are intrinsictly driven. Characteristics of one organism are derived from individual experience, passed on into memory in the genes to the progeny?

[jedimasterbooboo]

Checking the link, thanks again!

[hitssquad]

@PallaAurinkoon "order defined as what?"

Tension.

[PallaAurinkoon]

order defined as what? wouldn't any micro/macro development of "order" just be within a larger chaotic system? it just seems a little anthropocentric to me, that's all....