Obama and McCain on their Faith in God!!

Recently (August 16, 2008) Obama and McCain were questioned about their faith in God by Pastor Rick Warren (Author of "The Purpose Driven Life"), at his Church in California. See a report on that event, by CBN News.
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[shieldsff]

Since neither you nor I have any direct experience of the after death, I submit we are dependent on the claims of putative authorities.Based on my experience & those of others, I vehemently disagree that spiritual transgressions do not have infinite attributes.U appear naive about life-have you examined your own immoral experiences? Have you read the Bible? Hatred, murder,rape, lies,greed,exploitations, theft are so evil Jesus warned they lead to everlasting torment, darkness,weeping & distress

[joel10000a]

@shieldsff Sorry, but who are you talking to - you lost the tread!

[joel10000a]

@saltyfrye In other words people who believe in those things can't be Born Again, even they might call themselves Christian. Many people call themselves Christian, but they are no more Born Again, than the man in the moon is. Jesus said, right in the Bible that unless a person becomes Born Again, he CANNOT see the Kingdom of God. Yes Jesus did say exactly "Born Again".

[saltyfrye]

@joel10000a I can see why. They would rather be liked by people than stand up for the Bible. We live in a day and age where anyone who believes in the Bible is supposedly an uneducated Bible thumper who clings to his guns and his religion (another tactic of othering). Anyone who calls himself a Bible believer must accept that the Bible says acts of homosexuality (not the desire/temptation itself) are Biblically wrong.

[joel10000a]

@saltyfrye I should have said "gay movement", rather than "gay rights". In other words, I don't see how anyone can clam to be a true Christian, with a straight face, and be in favor of the gay lifestyle or gay movement, or whatever you want to call it, increasing in popularity and visibility in our society!

[saltyfrye]

@joel10000a part 3) being said, traditions are not rights and therefore "gay marriage" is not a right. That is my legal perspective...from a Biblical point of view what makes marriage sacred is the covenant a man and a woman makes with God and has nothing to do with the government; marriage is no longer sacred in this country anymore. And I agree, sexual immorality is the last signs of destruction for a society. I believe in the Bible like you do.

[saltyfrye]

@joel10000a in a thing called marriage. The government RECOGNIZED this. It is the role of the government to RECOGNIZE not REGULATE traditions (China regulates and tells you what your traditions are). A gay union, which is not a marriage since marriage is defined as 1 man and 1 woman (semantics I know, but semantics are crucial in law and in the government), from a strictly legal perspective should only be considered a tradition if the majority of the people, not politicians, say it is. That...

[saltyfrye]

@joel10000a part 1) I apologize for not making my statement clear. My point was people who use the term "gay rights" specifically use the word "right" in order to make those who are against things that have been put under the category of "gay rights" (such as gay marriage, adoption, etc.) look like ignorant supremacists who must be against human rights. My point was that marriage was never a right. A long time ago the government decided to recognize the tradition of 1 man and 1 women uniting...

[joel10000a]

@saltyfrye Exactly what are you saying you support? Gays have NO rights in my opinion! Why should open sinners have special "rights"? Why don't we just do away with all marriage rights, and let anyone marry who they want with as many spouses as they want? This kinds of "rights" will destroy our society - AND SO WILL GAY RIGHTS! No society since the beginning has EVER survived after opening it's doors to gays! Go check it out in history! God won't put up with it, and will destroy that society!

[saltyfrye]

@joel10000a I support rights for all. That being said, the term "gay rights" for the most part has nothing to do with rights and the term is used so that if you are against any of the things that fall under that category, you appear to be against human rights. It's a part of categorizing and othering. Marriage is a tradition (with specificity on number and gender) RECOGNIZED by the government. Traditions should not be REGULATED by the government and therefore should not be deemed "rights".