Hitchens On Stalin

Hitchens On Stalin

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[havee3333333]

@Per

If you want a good book about the REAL Stalin,I suggest you read memoirs by Vyacheslav Molotov and Lazar Kaganovich.Both of them were Premiers of the USSR at one point,and they were close associates with Stalin.

Both of them look at him in his real light,and not the Evil Tyrant bias Western Historians take him for.Can you honestly think of anyone more credible than them?

I also suggest the book Khrushchev Lied,by Grover Furr,if you want compelling evidence about the true nature of Stalin.

[havee3333333]

@PerpetualMotion3

He seems to have little understanding of Soviet history, and makes subjective assumptions.

Much of the lies you hear about Stalin come from Cold War-era Western Historians such as Robert Conquest. Conquest's biggest sources against Stalin would be Kruschev's Secret Speech. However, last year Grover Furr wrote a book that proved with substantial evidence that much of the Secret Speech was false or made to look bad.

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[PerpetualMotion3]

can someone simplify his argument with Stalin. I have limited knowledge of history but I'm really interested.

[steelyman40]

really? REALLY? I'm debating with someone who says something so unbelievably hipster lame as "PEACE THE FUCK OUT". Really. Now I'm embarrassed....

[steelyman40]

@dopeasfuckk Commingling. Look it up you illiterate dipshit. Read some history-prior to Christian revolution rights of the individual were ZERO in law and power/force ruled. Also, universities were set up/sponsored by the Church.I don't condone the crimes of Christians who acted violently.Of course not. How do you react to the violence that was done in the name of "Reason"? It's perfectly analogous and calling it 'retarded' actually doesn't refute what I'm saying. Also, I LOVE science. LOVE IT.

[dopeasfuckk]

@dopeasfuckk PEACE THE FUCK OUT

[dopeasfuckk]

@steelyman40 Fucking retard making up words like 'comingling'... religion is social and psychological cancer. It supports the most horrible and immoral things imaginable, from genital mutilation, genocide, rape, discrimination of race, sexual orientation, gender, and denies reality to its followers. You follow religion and you will be a retarded sheep posting shit like this on the INTERNET which SCIENCE and REASON provided you.

[steelyman40]

@automaticSOM Yes.religion demands that one follow rules and be grateful. Stalin demanded following a very different set of rules and that people be grateful to him. The problem with comingling them in this way is that it (deliberately) misses the point: if you follow the rules that religion lays down, in the main,your life will be more harmoniously ordered with the nature of reality. If you follow rules laid down by any of the great atheist-dictators, you'll go into a self imposed hell on earth

[automaticSOM]

@steelyman40

"Problem is that he's drawing no distinction between religion and the cult of personality that Stalin relied upon".

He is making a comparison between the two. The aspect of religion he is examining (namely credulity and servility) is indistinguishable from its counterpart in these cults of personality. There is certainly nothing disingenuous about this comparison.

[steelyman40]

@MamaMario13 Thanks but I understood his argument. Problem is that he's drawing no distinction between religion and the cult of personality that Stalin relied upon--it's just such a disingenuous comparison. Like saying "the people who murdered during the French revolution in the name of modernity and reason are just like all these other people who rely on reason over faith like Darwin, Einstein etc.". It's a dishonest co-mingling of separate groups and it's typical ham handed reason from CH