God Is Impossible: A Final Proof

A final proof of the impossibility of God's existence

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Science & Technology

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• God
• Exist
• Proof
• Existence
• Universe
• Creation
• Belief
• Faith

[bander87]

A creator cannot make something from nothing, because nothing would not exists. The creator itself is something.

[eleutheromaniac]

@lynneatwater "I don't think anyone here has every claimed that Michelangelo's representation of God, or anyone else's for that matter, were anything more than just paintings"

That's where you're wrong. How many times is God described as an "old bearded man in the sky"? Where do you think that imagery orginated?

This, IMO, is why the Bible forbade any graven images of God: because inevitably, as seen in other religions, it is the IMAGE, instead of what the image reps., that is worshiped

[lynneatwater]

eleutheromaniac

The universe should be understood as all things existing or, if you wish, existence itself. There can be no such thing as a 'beginning' to that which is, like the universe, inexorably eternal. I don't know what 'pure energy is' unless we are talking about the abstract idea of energy as a concept. Consciousness clearly is only possible in physical form. Lynne

[lynneatwater]

eleutheromaniac

Subjectivity in general refers to a subject that is in a necessary existential relationship with an object whereas absolute subjectivity isolates the subject from all relational activity allowing one to consider the subject exclusively in and of itself. You are correct in assuming that taken at face value, the notion of 'absolute subjectivity' is, at best, a senseless term and depending on one's perspective, ultimately contradictory. Lynne

[eleutheromaniac]

@lynneatwater "absolute subjectivity" how can subjectivity be absolute? is this not a contradiction in terms?

[eleutheromaniac]

@lynneatwater I think it depends upon your definition of universe. I think you are defining universe as the beginning of physical processes, formation of stars, creation of life, etc. But that is not what the universe is; it is shapeless and formless and infinite.

We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; but what is energy if it has nothing to act upon? What is "pure" energy? If consciousness is in fact non-localized, then what is consciousness freed from a physical form?

[lynneatwater]

eleutheromaniac

I agree; the interpreter or illustrator of any abstract concept is doing just that: producing a spatial representation of an abstraction which, in turn, obviously annuls the abstraction itself. Having said that, I don't think anyone here has every claimed that Michelangelo's representation of God, or anyone else's for that matter, were anything more than just paintings. Lynne

[lynneatwater]

eleutheromaniac

The object of the sophist is not to win arguments it is to bring forth the absolute subjectivity of reality and truth.

If you agree that the universe, existence or what you call God is eternal, I am unable to dismember such a claim through logical discourse. Only when one attempts to claim an absolute 'first cause' is the use of deductive logic meaningful. Lynne

[legmanpv72]

@eleutheromaniac From our perspective you maybe right and by using logic it is plausable, but from God's perspective our logic in trown out the window. God is is bigger than our puny minds can absorb. All I can say that you have not shaken my belief that God exists and he believes you

[eleutheromaniac]

@lynneatwater by the same token, each of the mythologies have their unique POV and means of expressing an idea. But ultimately, it is my belief that they are 'painting the same scenerio' so to speak.

I believe this because the parallels between the ancient mythologies and modern religions are undeniable. For example, the parallels between Jesus and Dionyssus, or St. George and Perseus.

But each 'artist' sees something the others do not.  Perception is the only thing that truly changes.

[eleutheromaniac]

@lynneatwater I think of religions and mythologies as artistic representations, rather than factual accounts. If you gathered 50 artists together to paint the same scene, you would get 50 different, unique paintings. Yet each of them is expressing the same scenerio. The differences in the paintings are the artist's unique perspective.

Some paintings will be fuller and more complete than others, but all of them have value in that they give an opportunity to see things from a different POV