Lutheran conversation on vestments (minister's clothes)

Pastors Tyler Gingrich and Walter Kurtz talk about the clothes that are unique to Christian worship tradition. Some of it comes from ancient understandings, some comes from Roman Catholic tradition, some comes from more recent understandings in the Lutheran tradition.

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[Audinos]

Do Lutheran liturgical colors correspond to Catholic colors? For example, green for Ordinary Time, violet for Advent and Lent, white for Eastertide, and red for Pentecost and feasts of martyrs. Is blue used? For Catholics, blue vestments are not permitted, though some have tried to use them for Advent.

[KelownaLutheran]

@Audinos Thank for your questions. Yes, Lutheran liturgical colours correspond to Roman Catholic colours. And, yes, we do use blue in Advent (though violet is not unheard of in come congregations).

[karpov89]

About the cingulum and stole, when wearing the cingulum the stole is crossed, if you are not a bishop.

[karpov89]

@mrpsichi What I miss in this video is the cope which is used by the bishop when not being the celebrant and also priests at festive occasions when not the celebrant.

[mrpsichi]

@karpov89 Yes. I was raised in the Lutheran church and left during my teen years to become Pentecostal. I wear liturgical vestments because that's what I'm used to. Plus many African-American Pentecostals such as myself are liturgical in terms of our vestments. Alot of us wear cassock, surplice, and tippet. I myself also wear a chasuble from time to time. I was raised in the ELCA.

[karpov89]

@mrpsichi Oh are you a pentecostal church pastor and wears liturgical vestments?! That is totally unthinkable in Sweden (except for Pentacostal pastor Peter Halldorf maybe, who lives in an ecumenical community, and who is influenced by the Oriental churches).

[mrpsichi]

@karpov89 Ok. That's interesting. That explains why not many Lutheran clergy wear the zuchetto. I myself was raised in the Lutheran church and haven't any pastors or bishops wear it. I myself am ordained in the Pentecostal church and have to wear a black zuchetto with my cassock, surplice and stole/tippet. I usually wear that at ordinations. In performing Eucharistic functions I wear an alb, stole and chasuble. I usually wear the chasuble during the entire service.

[karpov89]

@mrpsichi The zuchetto is rarely used in Church of Sweden or any other major Lutheran body...but it is not a liturgical vestment in the same way as the mitre and crosier, not as important.

[jx4720]

interesting! I also appreciated hearing that the vestments, though they do enrich worship are not either the focus or necessary for worship. The symbols have value and as such, I appreciate them.

[rwboa22]

@mrpsichi In the ELCA and the ELCIC (the Canadian counterpart), the bishop is looked at as an office (like that of the United Methodist and American African Methoidst churches), not an ordained rank of the clergy as seen in Roman Catholic, Anglican, Scandinavian/Baltic Lutheran, and Eastern Orthodox traditions. Unlike the American Methodist bishops, which remain a member of that office for life, ELCA and ELCIC bishops revert to "pastor" status after they leave office.