Michael Painter and Jame Howell Interview

Two high ranking members leave the Twelve Tribes Thought Reform group and speak out against it's false prophet Elbert Eugene Spriggs.

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[Dallas4522]

I was involved with this community for about 3 years in the later 70's...the early stages. There were less than 200 people at that time. I was one of less than 50 that were considered a 'committed one'. What these men say is true. They know me. I was there. If James or Michael want to contact me ph# is 360-581-9598. Mike Davis

[Dallas4522]

I have a "valid viewpoint!" For there shall come the Greatest Tribulation such as the World has never ever seen. Flee Judea and don't stop for earthly treasures. Look to the Clouds Christ Jesus comes as King.

O sinner man where you going to run to on that day?

You run to the rocks, the rocks are melting

You run to the sea, the sea is boiling all on that day.

Where you going to run to? from: Sally Cheerful

[tribalfriend1]

It is the spiritual experience that one gets there that is more important than doctrinal differences. I visited there and all I have is praised for them all. If your goal is reading without practice then this place is not for you.

[Exposingsatan]

I am an ex t t member 

[bKiwiD]

I spent 3 months living at their farm, working in their cafe, helping out with chores and kids. They spent hours listening to me, talking to me, and helping me whenever I needed them. They taught me (through their ACTIONS, not their doctrine) what it means to be loved, and what's important in life. And when I decided to leave, they made me a pancake breakfast and drove me to my grandmother's house, where we parted on good terms.

I would call this a "Heart Reform" group.

[bKiwiD]

Also: while I chose to leave, these people changed me.

A preacher can talk about love, but what if you really needed some? Would they take you home, feed you, clothe you, help you to become a more loving person? Would they have a limit after which you were on your own again?

I called these people at 7:00 on their Sabbath morning, and without question they immediately drove three hours out of their way to pick me up and bring me to their home, where they gave me food, clothing, a bed....

[bKiwiD]

Many people AREN'T aware of what they (as a TT member) officially believe. They just know that they'll choose to believe it because they see the "fruit" of their life as evidence that they're fulfilling God's plan for humanity. And the older ones acknowledge that maybe they'll turn out to be incorrect about specific doctrinal things-- but again, the doctrinal things aren't the important part for most of the people there. They value whatever helps them to become more loving.

[bKiwiD]

I find the "They don't know what they believe" comment interesting.

In the community I lived in for 3 months, they believed the important part wasn't what you BELIEVED, but how you lived (and loved).  It's not about what's "right or wrong", but what's "life-giving". Many members echoed the sentiment that if they found some other group that was more loving, they'd join that, but they don't believe there is a more loving way to live than the way they do (with their salvation process).

[happeninger]

sounds like LSD + agnosticism

[TheCandie87]

@druthmavity It's not true. Whoever this formerttslave is, he/she is lying. Yoneq is still alive. Getting old, but alive nonetheless.