Plan B: Rescuing a Planet Under Stress and a Civilization...

The Berkeley Institute of the Environment announces its first annual Distinguished Lecture, featuring Lester R. Brown.

Mr. Brown has been called "one of the planet's most important thinkers" and a "guru of the environmental movement." He is founder of the Worldwatch Institute and the Earth Policy Institute, and author or co-author of 50 books related to the environment. Credits: Producer:The Berkeley Institute of the Environment

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[DrCruel]

@thisguy331 So now it's my "ignorance" that makes me skeptical of environmentalists. I need to uncritically accept their flawed reasoning if I want to get "educated".

Oh boy. Here we go again.

These eco-scares change every generation, with old ones being quickly forgotten. I won't likely be alive when the next eco-scare comes around. The damage to the West's industrial economy has already been done, so do what you like.

Good luck with trying to convince the Chinese Marxists. Have fun.

[DrCruel]

@cosmoculture Mostly my experience in dealing with them in academia. The bait-and-switch business doesn't impress me either - for example, I remember when environmentalists were trying to tie the same causal agents to a postulated "global cooling over two decades ago. I also find these environmentalists just happen to be overwhelmingly pro-Marxist or pro-socialist.

They just have a really bad track record, given their predictions over the years, making me fairly skeptical of this "movement".

[thisguy331]

@DrCruel If you would do some actual research on what he's saying you might learn something. He criticizes these things in the way they're currently being done. Big business doesn't care much about the environment or using and getting resources in a sustainable way, they waste a lot and harm the environment. That's what he's criticizing and he wants us to do it in a more sustainable way. You can believe he's doing this for personal profit, but he's not. Look at his past you'll see.

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[cosmoculture]

@DrCruel, Is there anything "crooked" that environmentalists done to your personally or the world that you could point out? Just curious were you are coming from.

[DrCruel]

Why make it about ideologies? Ask the person who started the discourse with this leadoff:

"The western economic model will no longer work for anyone."

To be fair, I think all that Marxist nonsense is simply window dressing. No one with an inch of common sense believes in it anymore. I think the "environmental movement" is little more than a kleptocratic scam. They've been deliberately wrong, over and over and over again, and each time pull a profit because of it. I'm sick of these crooks.

[shadezofgrayfulness]

I don't know how anyone can not get at least SOMETHING of value from Brown! The signs of resource abuse are everywhere, and so very obvious. It's just a consideration of alternatives and options. It's just "Plan B", not "Plan 9 From Outer Space"!

[shadezofgrayfulness]

@DrCruel Name-calling & certitude make me wonder. And whenever, in the back-and-forth of rhetoric, I see strawmen trotted out (like turning the environmental debate into one about Marxism) it discredits the dissenter. Why make it about ideologies? In "Eco-economics", Brown quotes former Esso North Sea & Norway V.P, Øystien Dahle: "Socialism collapsed because it didn't allow prices to tell the economic truth. Capitalism may collapse because it doesn't allow prices to tell the ecological truth."

[DrCruel]

@Psychentist Tell you what. After I've been bone-headedly (and often deliberately) wrong, over and over and over again, for over half a century, after then hypocritically pretending to never have been wrong while cloaking myself with the mystique of pseudo-science, after I try to dress up the corpse of Marxism in green, tehn you can call me a "kook" all you like - and I'll even be happy about it.

"Airtight" he says. What a laugh. Do you really think we all have a memory of less than a decade?

[Psychentist]

@DrCruel :

Kook? Ok, Doc, write 50 books on why all the environmentalists are full of crap. Make sure everything you say in the books can be tested and verified, make sure all of your references are airtight, and then we will consider your opinion as equal to this "kook."