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[drakocarrion]

I think the most aggrevating part of any young earther's "we're the correct religion" argument is the relative youth of their own branch of the faith in comparison to say Judaism.

[Boxcutter7]

In your bible quote where it talks about jesus abiding with you FOREVER, it doesn't mean that jesus chooses to abide only with those that he knows (from precognition) will be a believer 'til death. With your logic, I could say that kids with imaginary friends never really talked to their imaginary friend since they later on grew up & stopped talking to them.

[Boxcutter7]

You don't KNOW the real god; your relationship is one where you talk to yourself & to your invisible placebo, your imaginary friend. I like the placebo relationship so much that you don't find a reason to question it & you believe that backsliders & non-believers will be tortured in hell! And you make a video where you smirk & joke about how many people you believe are going to hell while they think they're not.

[jesuriah]

Yeah, someone told me that they knew Jesus was real because they had a relationship with him. I asked them for a picture and possibly an address. I asked them when Jesus came back from Heaven, and why we hadn't heard about it yet. What is even more ludicrous than this though, are the people who say, "Christianity isn't a religion, it's a relationship". I've never heard a more dishonest statement from a theist....In my entire life...

[TheMathGuy]

jesuriah -- another way you might put it is like this. If we take theTRUTHgroup's definition of a "true Christian" as someone who actually has a real relationship with Jesus Christ, then there is no possible way of knowing if anyone is a Christian or not, not even when it comes to yourself! And if Christianity is not the truth, then according to theTRUTHgroup's own definition there is no such thing as a Christian, since Jesus isn't real and people can't have a relationship with him.

[TheMathGuy]

You can assert that you "know" you are a "real Christian" all you want, but the fact remains that you have no basis for that claim to knowledge. I've noticed that the Christians who most loudly assert this are usually trying to cover up their own doubts about the religion. Why would someone be so motivated to insist they have absolute certainty about something that very well might all be in their head? It is their own insecurity that motivates them.

[TheMathGuy]

What theTRUTHgroup fails to understand is that there are Christians who have made the EXACT same claim--that they know absolutely because of some "divine experience" or what have you that Jesus is real and Christianity is right, but have changed their mind about it--Google "Dan Barker". I would challenge anyone from theTRUTHgroup to read Dan Barker's book "Losing Faith in Faith" before you dismiss what you don't understand.

[theTRUTHgroup]

I understand that you had a psychosomatic experience that you call Christianity.

I assure you, though, your case is not the same as mine.

I know the real God and have a real relationship with Him.

There's no way that I can convey that to you in words, so arguing about it is beyond silly.

I would suggest that you start digging into the Bible and learn more about the prophecies contained within.

Only God could write a book that accurately foretells the future.

Put Him to the test.

[jesuriah]

...cont... you've shaken their hand. The problem is you're trying to say that out of a diverse group of many people, who all believe that they fit into the group(some more than others), that you have the true meaning of the group, and that you are more correct than millions of others who could use scripture to prove you wrong.

I have a video in the works elaborating this point, so I'm sorry if this seems incomplete.

[jesuriah]

I'm an ex Christian. I believed in god, felt his presence then realized that my experiences were psychosomatic. You've missed the point yet again. I understand you are not trying to be offensive, so please understand that I am not trying to be either.

The definition of the word "Christian" that I have found do not require that one knows Christ.  It's impossible, he's dead. Using your logic, it's impossible, because you've never shook his hand. Why? Because you don't know someone until...