The 20 million claim against Stalin comes from Khrushchev and Robert Conquest's propaganda.
Robert Conquest's numbers actually comes from Khrushchev's Secret Speech, and that speech has been proven wrong by Grover Furr in 2011. Your 20 million number comes straight from Conquest, who was a Cold War-era historian.
John Getty has put the real number at 1.5 million.
Remember you self-righteous idiot, I can't send you links and I have probs. with 500 characters. That's why I send messages.
I often run out of room, which is why I delete some of your name.
I actually laughed a little at your claims there. China and Russia's populations grew under both Mao and Stalin. People that died under Mao was about 40 million, but as I've shown you that was mostly under the Great Leap Forward. I will send you a list to prove this through a message.
@havee3333333 AGAIN! Don't abbreviate my @name or I won't get an e-mail notification! You can THEN make it look like I never answered you! Leave the @name THE FUCK ALONE! And don't try to e-mail me privately, fanatic, if you're not confident of how you look in a PUBLIC comment forum.
@JackR2794 If they CALL themselves Communist, if they make parades swearing up and down they are Communist, we must weigh their actions to Communism. Otherwise, you emit the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. If you are those apologists who say Communism is the ideal system, it just had bad leaders in the 70 crash-landings when it was tried before, well, FUCK ME! Maybe we can apply that excuse to the Third Reich! Let's give Nazism a fair shake too!
@havee3333333 By fucking with my name, abbreviating it, you've made it impossible for me to get an e-mail notification. Not knowing you addressed me here, you can then make it look as if I never answered you. Leave the @name alone.
100 million people murdered by state executions in China, 20 million in Russia, many more in other Communist countries, makes AT least 130 million killed politically all for Communism. How many Floridians were murdered for complaining of hanging chads? NONE!
Yes, but China and the SU were both following the Marxist-Leninist path towards Communism. China still hasn't left this path, since Lenin and Marx both believed you have to have Capitalism before Communism.
I don't like your idea of a Societal debate, seeing that such a thing would only work in small countries. If Socialism wasn't to succeed in such a debate, what would be placed to regulate it? Wouldn't society just break back into competing factions?
@havee3333333 To be fair, those who claim China is communist are wholly incorrect, it is not a communist state, and nor was the Soviet Union.
I think in wider society we should aim to have a proper and factual debate on the merits of a socialist economic and political system - instead of being victims of capitalist propaganda which discredits a system through wholly inaccurate information.
Alright, you've been going on for a while about this ridiculous 1357576 billion number you claim Communists have killed.
I'd like you to list the crimes of Communism, which will in turn force me to list the crimes of Capitalism.
I will harshly critique all of your numbers, as I expect you to do the same for me. I will take the liberty to send you links to Death Rates in the SU and China, and compare it to the British Empire's Death Rates.
There you go, that was the proper definition of Communism. My credentials are being a former member of the PSL and CPUSA parties(I know follow more a progressive ideology).
I gave you statistics from the UN and other credible sources, which in part were influenced by the Soviet government. But hey, who are you to discredit that Soviet government? You can't even properly define Communism! LOL!
I see you as a Liberal who uses no logic and speaks completely out of their ass.
So many parties D:
GraceGlenmore 2 days ago
@Dra
The 20 million claim against Stalin comes from Khrushchev and Robert Conquest's propaganda.
Robert Conquest's numbers actually comes from Khrushchev's Secret Speech, and that speech has been proven wrong by Grover Furr in 2011. Your 20 million number comes straight from Conquest, who was a Cold War-era historian.
John Getty has put the real number at 1.5 million.
Remember you self-righteous idiot, I can't send you links and I have probs. with 500 characters. That's why I send messages.
havee3333333 1 week ago
@Dracopol
I often run out of room, which is why I delete some of your name.
I actually laughed a little at your claims there. China and Russia's populations grew under both Mao and Stalin. People that died under Mao was about 40 million, but as I've shown you that was mostly under the Great Leap Forward. I will send you a list to prove this through a message.
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havee3333333 1 week ago
@havee3333333 AGAIN! Don't abbreviate my @name or I won't get an e-mail notification! You can THEN make it look like I never answered you! Leave the @name THE FUCK ALONE! And don't try to e-mail me privately, fanatic, if you're not confident of how you look in a PUBLIC comment forum.
Dracopol 1 week ago
@JackR2794 If they CALL themselves Communist, if they make parades swearing up and down they are Communist, we must weigh their actions to Communism. Otherwise, you emit the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. If you are those apologists who say Communism is the ideal system, it just had bad leaders in the 70 crash-landings when it was tried before, well, FUCK ME! Maybe we can apply that excuse to the Third Reich! Let's give Nazism a fair shake too!
Dracopol 1 week ago
@havee3333333 By fucking with my name, abbreviating it, you've made it impossible for me to get an e-mail notification. Not knowing you addressed me here, you can then make it look as if I never answered you. Leave the @name alone.
100 million people murdered by state executions in China, 20 million in Russia, many more in other Communist countries, makes AT least 130 million killed politically all for Communism. How many Floridians were murdered for complaining of hanging chads? NONE!
Dracopol 1 week ago
@JackR2794
Yes, but China and the SU were both following the Marxist-Leninist path towards Communism. China still hasn't left this path, since Lenin and Marx both believed you have to have Capitalism before Communism.
I don't like your idea of a Societal debate, seeing that such a thing would only work in small countries. If Socialism wasn't to succeed in such a debate, what would be placed to regulate it? Wouldn't society just break back into competing factions?
havee3333333 1 week ago
@havee3333333 To be fair, those who claim China is communist are wholly incorrect, it is not a communist state, and nor was the Soviet Union.
I think in wider society we should aim to have a proper and factual debate on the merits of a socialist economic and political system - instead of being victims of capitalist propaganda which discredits a system through wholly inaccurate information.
JackR2794 1 week ago
@Dra
Alright, you've been going on for a while about this ridiculous 1357576 billion number you claim Communists have killed.
I'd like you to list the crimes of Communism, which will in turn force me to list the crimes of Capitalism.
I will harshly critique all of your numbers, as I expect you to do the same for me. I will take the liberty to send you links to Death Rates in the SU and China, and compare it to the British Empire's Death Rates.
havee3333333 1 week ago
@Dra
There you go, that was the proper definition of Communism. My credentials are being a former member of the PSL and CPUSA parties(I know follow more a progressive ideology).
I gave you statistics from the UN and other credible sources, which in part were influenced by the Soviet government. But hey, who are you to discredit that Soviet government? You can't even properly define Communism! LOL!
I see you as a Liberal who uses no logic and speaks completely out of their ass.
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havee3333333 1 week ago