Jesus and Messianic Prophecy: Another Response to Geoasher023

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[MsOmeGa29]

I'm a Jew your the bomb, Yeshua is your shield and buckler. AMEN!!!!

[paulgem123]

I agree with this. You sure have grown up. rabbi Asher is a master of straw arguments.

[KabaneTheChristian]

@psandbergnz

lol, that thing about St Augustine is vague. The question is not whether people centuries later tried to use St Augustine to justify their behavior, but whether St Augustine would have endorsed such behavior.

[KabaneTheChristian]

@psandbergnz

...because, well, maybe multiple people had so and so name. Maybe multiple people were named Cornelius Tacitus! After all, it's not an uncommon name! How do we know that the Tacitus of Tertullian is the Tacitus of later writers.

If you seriously contend that we don't know that the Twelve existed, I don't know what to say to you. Paul mentions them. We have the disciples of the Twelve Apostles. We know they existed.

[KabaneTheChristian]

@psandbergnz

They were common names? LOL. That's absolutely contrived, to suggest that the Matthew and Mark of Papias are any different from the same Matthew and Mark named in the gospels and by all the Fathers as the authors of the first two Gospels. It's an invented argument. It's faux history. It's special pleading to weasel out of the obvious conclusion. Under your argument, there's literally no way I could establish the authorship of the gospels...

[psandbergnz]

@KabaneTheChristian, it is far from clear that Papias mentions the Matthew and Mark of the Gospels.They were common names. Ehrmann makes that very point. As for Tacitus, nobody doubts Rome's greatest historian,Tacitus, wrote the annals. Tacitus is an established historical figure. In contrast, NOBODY knows who your Matthew, Mark, Luje and John were! All you have is conjecture and a resolute mindset.

The Inquisition arose in the middle ages - aided and abetted by Augustine's writing.

[KabaneTheChristian]

@psandbergnz

By the way, the vague word "repressed" does not actually include executions. No saint of the Church advocated their murder.

[KabaneTheChristian]

@psandbergnz

In fact, the first attribution of the Annals to Tacitus was from Tertullian, writing about eighty years after the Annals were first penned. The attribution of the gospels to the Apostles is even better. I know all of the information you are presenting to me. These things are not new to me. I have several videos on these issues.

[KabaneTheChristian]

@psandbergnz

You are far overstating the scholarly support for your position, actually. I've read fairly widely here, and yes, I've read Ehrman as well. Your assertion that St Irenaeus is the first to mention apostolic authorship is simply false. St Papias mentions Matthew and Mark, and St Justin mentions the memoirs of the Apostles. MANY histories in the ancient world were penned anonymously, including the Annals of Tacitus. Attribution was rarely contained within the text itself.

[KabaneTheChristian]

@psandbergnz

The Spanish Inquisition occurred centuries after St Augustine. The execution of Priscillian was condemned by the saints of the Church, NOT endorsed by St Augustine and CONDEMNED by St Augustine's personal mentor, St Ambrose of Milan. You can make assertions all you want- backing them up with real history is something altogether different.