Sarah Palin on Calvinism, Predestination & Rom9

Larry King continues a follow-up segment with Sarah about the Calvinist Arminian debate concerning Romans chapter 9 and the doctrine of predestination

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[mkwheeland87]

. . . And the insults continue... we can finish this discussion in heaven before our Lord and he can straighten out right from wrong (if you think I'll be there)

[JoanDArc77]

@mkwheeland87 You need to wake up my little apostate friend. Jesus said in Jn17:3 "This is eternal life:to know You, the only true and real God, and the Christ Whom You have sent" Calvinists promote a false gospel condemned with an eternal curse in Gal1:7-9 and worship a god who creates helpless people for the sole purpose of casting them in hell; that's NOT the God of the bible. By Christ's definition you won't be seeing anyone in heaven; Calvinism has NOTHING to do with Christianity.

[JoanDArc77]

@mkwheeland87 Those weren't insults but the truth. I've patiently tolerated all your rather shallow, juvenile remarks and arguments since you arrived, I answered and refuted all of them clearly by God's word, but instead of acknowledging your errors you just jumped to other verses you've twisted into pretzels and then began making rude remarks ("duh only Jesus is glorified now..."). You're ignorant of God's word, what you do know of it you don't understand, and your attitude is insufferable.

[mkwheeland87]

@JoanDArc77 I sincerely was just saying I hope both our hearts are open to correction, wasn't trying to say anything about you. I know it's hard to see authenticity over a silly format like this.

But in light of your insult (illiterate) and name calling (asinine), I'm deciding not to continue this conversation. Up until this point, I enjoyed it. As Christians we ought to be truthful and gracious, only edifying in our words.

[JoanDArc77]

@mkwheeland87 1st, Ex4:22-23 "Say to Pharaoh, Thus says the Lord, Israel is My son, even My firstborn. And I say to you, Let My son go, that he may serve Me"  to claim God didn't foreknow them is asinine. 2nd, the NT repeatedly warns about remaining faithful or losing salvation eg, Rom11:22 "...God's gracious kindness to you, PROVIDED YOU CONTINUE in His grace and abide in His kindness; otherwise you too will be CUT OFF" 3rd, you should indeed be humble since you're so biblically illiterate.

[mkwheeland87]

I hope we're being humble during this conversation (myself included. God opposes the proud.)

[mkwheeland87]

@JoanDArc77 Accepting Christ and following him is ASSUMED in the passage (he already described justification in chapters 4-5 he doesn't need to explain it again in chapter 8) therefore he says "foreknew . called . justified . . and glorified" (duh only Jesus is glorified now, but we exist in Him) But he does not allow for some to lose their justification because the purpose of it is to "be made like Christ" (8:28-29).

I think you're assuming the unregenerate Hebrews were foreknew.

[JoanDArc77]

@mkwheeland87 No, it's your understanding of Rom8:30 that's flawed. 1st, it's speaking in future perfect tense ie, of future things as though they'd already occurred, no one has yet been glorified nor will they ever if they don't first receive Christ and then continue to follow Him. 2nd, nowhere does the bible say "God doesn't miss a single one of those whom he foreknew--they all get saved" but the opposite. The entire 1st generation of Israelites were foreknown yet they all died in the desert.

[mkwheeland87]

@JoanDArc77 We both agree man's faith places a role in salvation (Ephesians 2 "grace through faith").

Your understanding of Romans 8 is flawed. It begins "those whom he FOREKNEW . . he called then justified" aka . . God doesn't miss a single one of those whom he foreknew--they all get saved. This verse doesn't allow for God's elect to resist him. It also says he glorifies them, which demonstrates God doesn't lose a Christian (perseverance of [all] the saints).

[JoanDArc77]

@mkwheeland87 4th, Rom9:16 is saying salvation doesn't originate from man's will but from God's, not that man's will isn't involved. Without God providing a way back thru Christ, intervening by convicting him of sin and calling him to repentance, man can't be saved, but he must still choose to receive it. 5th, the fact that God justifies those He calls doesn't negate that they can reject His call, and as verses like Rom5:18 say, ALL men are justified by Christ's sacrifice, they must receive it