Malcolm X Interviewed by Dr. Kenneth Clark (June, 1963)

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Clark: Reverend Martin Luther King preaches a doctrine of non-violent insistence upon the rights of the American Negro. What is your attitude toward this philosophy?

Malcolm X: The white man pays Reverend Martin Luther King, subsidizes Reverend Martin Luther King, so that Reverend Martin Luther King can continue to teach the Negroes to be defenseless. That's what you mean by non-violent: be defenseless. Be defenseless in the face of one of the most cruel beasts that has ever taken a people into captivity. That's this American white man. And they have proved it throughout the country by the police dogs and the police clubs.

A hundred years ago they used to put on a white sheet and use a bloodhound against Negroes. Today they've taken off the white sheet and put on police uniforms, they've traded in the bloodhounds for police dogs, and they're still doing the same thing. And just as Uncle Tom, back during slavery, used to keep the Negroes from resisting the bloodhound, or resisting the Ku Klux Klan, by teaching them to love their enemy, or pray for those who use them spitefully, today Martin Luther King is just a 20th century or modern Uncle Tom, or a religious Uncle Tom, who is doing the same thing today, to keep Negroes defenseless in the face of an attack, that Uncle Tom did on the plantation to keep those Negroes defenseless in the face of the attacks of the Klan in that day.

Clark: But the goal of Dr. King is full equality --

Malcolm X: No.

Clark: ... and full rights of citizenship for Negroes.

Malcolm X: No. The goal of Dr. Martin Luther King is to give Negroes a chance to sit in a segregated restaurant beside the same white man who had brutalized them for 400 years. The goal of Dr. Martin Luther King is to get Negroes to forgive the people who have brutalized them for 400 years by lulling them to sleep, and making them forgetting what those whites have done to them. But the masses of black people in America today don't go for what Martin Luther King is putting down. As you said in one of your articles, it's psychologically insecure, or something of that sort -- I forget how you put it. But you didn't endorse what Martin Luther King was doing yourself.

Clark: I do not reject his goals, of full integration and full equality rights for American citizens. Do you reject these goals?

Malcolm X: If you don't think that he's walking on the right road, I'm quite sure that you don't agree that he'll get to the right place. And if you would classify his method as "psychologically unrealistic" -- I think that if a man's method is psychologically unrealistic, which means that the road or the means or the method that he's using, I think that, as a psychologist, you'd be very doubtful that he would reach the right goals.

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[TheJsmth1234]

Mr. X would call obama a house negroe

[sabokunogaraa]

RIP Brother Malcolm X

[fred5399]

@andid By it's very nature separate can never be equal. The very act of seperation requires that one side force the other. If one side can force the other , there is no equality. The act of treating a people as a seperate beings says they are not equal to those doing the separating.That being said, the pratice of separate but equal was never done equally anyway because those in power didn't think those without power were worthy anyway.

[indieurbanmusicTV]

"You don't integrate with a sinking ship."

Malcolm too rough for you?

How about Bob Marley?

watch?v=hQX5mF7Qt-Y

[2ndSinner]

@TheJsmth1234, make that a WHITE HOUSE negroe LOL

[BlackMasterJoe89]

@TheJsmth1234

Cause he's in the white house? or cause he is subservient toward whites, in that sense?

[andid]

@johnstoyk Separate but equal never sounds right to me. Fuck language, culture, religion, and definitely fuck race.

[OUTOFGAS88]

try to imitate god intead of imitating the white man , intergrate with god instead of intergrating with the white man wow.

[johnstoyk]

@andid in the aspect of advocating racism you are right...but the problems he speaks of are still here today in a covert manner, and the reason is because Black people have not separated...it's not to say that white people can't be a part of a rebuilt nation in another part of the world based on African culture and civilization, but it is to say that that a separate nation should be and needs to be built.

[cakes101ful]

love this man god bless you!

[Melodysmusic100]

@TheJsmth1234 I agree

[andid]

Malcolm X's attitude was justified given the time, but ultimately it's the wrong way to approach this situation. Fighting fire with fire. The answer to racism and religious dogma isn't more racism and religious dogma.