Challenge to Theists (short version)

The main version (10 mins) of this challenge is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk5Llzxjhi0



Great comment from SauerKraut537, not exactly on the topic of THIS particular video but beautifully stated: "I have the hardest time believing that the creator of the entire cosmos put on a 'meat suit' to masquerade as a human for thirty something years... Just so this deity could undergo some form of blood ritual sacrifice so that the other 2/3 of his triune self could then feel good about forgiving humans for not living up to an impossible standard of perfection."

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[Strangerinasland]

@DarkArktic Everything we know to exist may be 1 trillionth of 1% of what exists. We DO NOT KNOW. It is ridiculous to assume what we know to exist is all that exists. The Big Bang did not come from nothing. Every thing that exists has always existed & always will but in different forms. There is a theory the Big Bang happened before. Either way, the ingredients of OUR KNOWN universe existed before the latest Big Bang. How long did they exist in that form & how much space did it occupy? (cont)

[Strangerinasland]

@DarkArktic (cont) There could have been as many Big Bangs as there are atoms in our known universe & in as many different places. Was our pre Big Bang form bigger than those others or smaller or about the same size? How much space did they occupy? How much time passed between Big Bangs? Do some happen simultaneously? Each time technology improves the distance at which we can detect something, we detect something farther away. I expect that to continue.

[Strangerinasland]

@nwankwourf Regarding claims of gods existing, the Big Bang Theory & whether atheists have faith in it are not relevant. When you make a claim, attemting to demean an unrelated claim does not support your claim. Nothing can exist without space & nothing can happen without time, regardless of whether there are gods. 2 + 2 has always equaled 4, regardless of gods.

[Strangerinasland]

@nwankwourf "according to Einstein God existed"

Liar.

[mhatlie]

This is a clever trap. The theist will inevitably use some version of parsimony or Occam's razor - the very idea they must reject in order to maintain any veresion of the cosmological argument. Well done.

[VitoPossilipo]

@Strangerinasland But what does "to exist" mean? Don´t we say sth. exists when we either percept it or when we imagine it according to reliable data. So, can sth. be called existing, if our conciousnessis not confrontedwith it? Ludwig Wittgenstein wrote our field of view is without boundaries because there is no world outside of it. I think he was right: Everything we see is everything that exists visually in the same world as us (which we call THE world).

[ninetailsfox99]

@zebraman60 i'll look into that thanks for offering help

[zebraman60]

@ninetailsfox99 u should read fabric of the cosmos by brian greene. it will help you understand some weird things

[ninetailsfox99]

i believe in god because i am unable to cope with the fact that there is no god, and i understand this, and it sometimes hurts to think about, and you sir are epic in a good way.

[doombybbr]

even better, show me that the universe was created by (any number except 0) gods.

[apstatisticsnba]

Ron Paul 2012!