Antinatalism-The Greatest Taboo 1

No one should have children

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• human extinction
• antinatalism.net

[BearWindAppleyard]

Death (or never having been) maybe can be seen as ultimate freedom but I think it's also ultimate slavery, you (who don't exist) are free from everything but not free to (do/have) anything. U force ur kid to be born for your own sake yes, but u also give it a chance to have been, to percieve, to feel pain and love, to interpretate life. Death (or non-being) is neither good or bad. Life is both good and/or bad. the goal should be goodness for everyone rather than nothingness for everyone/noone.

[tigerslilly29]

Excellent video. So many good points in a short video.

[TheLockon00]

@filrabat 1) So, I suppose you've never come accross the phrase "You don't know what you're missing"? Come on, be serious.

2) Taking the needs of potential future people into account is contradictory to your ideology. Remember all those stupid AN slogans about not needing to be alive, feel pleasure, etc prior to existing? You can't dismiss those needs but give credence to the need to avoid suffering.

[filrabat]

@TheLockon00

1)How can you claim they miss anything when they don't exist? Non-existent don't have needs, barring the conditions in (2)

2)This is not a contradiction at all IF they are potential future existents. Otherwise, doing anything for our grandchildren wouldn't make any sense."think of our grandchildren" doesn't make any sense. This article addresses the issue pretty well francoistremblay. wordpress. com/ 2011 / 08/ 11 / the-non-identity-problem

[TheLockon00]

@filrabat 1) Dull: "Lacking in zest, interest, or excitement." So yeah, non-existence is supremely dull. Obviously the non-existenht aren't aware of this, but now that I'm alive I'm aware of what their missing.

2) Now you REALLY contradicted your ideology by saying the non-existent have needs, future or not.

[filrabat]

@TheLockon00

1)If nothing is around, then why should it matter if it's dull or not. Also, if we didn't exist, "dullness" would be meaningless - for if nobody's around to conceive of dull, then dullness exist?

2) Not inconsis. b/c exist/not-existing are 2 diff't scenarios - not two contrad't'y states of exist. Not having kids due to living living in a high-crime area, poverty, bad mom, etc. (or even less bad circ'st'n's) shows n-exist can have needs, albeit only future ones.

[TheLockon00]

@vgman94 Dude, it was still on this page before you made these two responses. It's my comment you first responded to. The one where the points are listed 1) and 2). It's the one with the fucking "2" in front of it? Did any of my recent points have fucking 2s in front of them? What creates happiness? No one thing is the source of all the happiness everyone's ever felt in the history of the human race. What else do you want me to say? However, giving birth does indirectly create happiness

[vgman94]

@TheLockon00 You keep sidestepping the question of what creates happiness, how to find it, etc. I see you realize your point is folly,l but are too cowardly to admit. Oh, well. Maybe someday you'll accept what you know in the back of your mind is true, instead of trying to be Hopelessly cheerful. Good day.... Or not.