The Trials of Ted Haggard Part 2

Surely Ted's "problem" is reasonably compelling anecdotal evidence that being attracted to the same sex is not a life style choice...that is he didn't choose it, he chose evangelical Christianity...but none the less he was chosen...genetically?

The message of the documentary is also a concise indictment of the distinct lack of care for the "unrighteous" demonstrated by Ted's brand of Christianity and should be broadcast in fundamentalist evangelical churches as a moral lesson their bible apparently fails to teach them.

The point I guess is not necessarily the failure of fundamentalist Christians to walk their walk...it is that the walk itself is fundamentally flawed - the literal acceptance of implausible and unnatural moral standards fill otherwise rational minds with a twisted legacy of ancient prejudice and conceit, the only consolation being the relativists dream of escaping such an "objective morality" via grace. The situation is ludicrous. Of course you require grace to be saved ( from something??) because if the standards you set for yourself were not broken everyone would be absolutely miserable, which also explains why they are so frequently broken.

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[TheJamesvanmiert]

I'm a hardline atheist but i even feel sorry for him. He might be wrong and a bit of a dick and all but i think he is actually an ok guy.

[PolemicisTdotNet]

@TheJamesvanmiert I know what you mean. What I can't get over is the lack of reflection by his former church...like if Pastor Ted is bisexual...surely it can't be simply a choice but must have a physiological root. I don't believe that "I was exposed to some gay thing at 12 and that affected me and made me struggle with same sex attraction shit" because frankly who hasn't seen something gay-ish in there life. What matters is that thing affected Ted and made him realize he bats for both teams.

[elliotlee13]

Have no sympathy for this man. He preaches discrimination plain and simple. If a KKK member was thrown out for having a Black mistress - would you share the same sympathy?

[slipknotjake]

He seems like a nice dude just reading a book motivating people.

[kotchpatts]

Ted = Ned Flanders

[2rainmalt]

and sinners have a chance in heaven if they repent. one who nevers sins, has apparently no merit, since jesus said he didnt come here for the just. boohoo

[2rainmalt]

@PolemicisTdotNet yeah but in the first segment ted mentions he has been unfaithful. is that a sin thats forgiven ? who cares what he cheated with? and what about meth? and also whast happening with hi, now? i know his struggles but havent heard of him in a year or so

[tanrayso]

if you do receive this message Ted. I would just like to tell you that no matter what anybody has done in their lives they deserve a second chance. The scriptures clearly say god loves us first why can't we love back another a human and dignify him as a human.... you have provided so much for people and you can't even get one quater of their approval. they should forgive automatically.

[alicepogo]

If anyone is looking for a God who loves you, no matter what, please watch this entire story. The truth is so sweet.

[ibischan2000]

nothing wrong with being a gay.

[MBmilano]

I am shocked,really! It is unacceptable a leader, a pastor or whoever to do such of thing. If TED is a Follower of Christ that means he follows Christ's Way of Living by obeying His commandments. And HOW he did it??? Oh,yah, by playing bisexual! Well, Jesus hasn't done it, isn't He??? How then someone can explain me his behaviour??? WWJD??? need to be the first question BEFOR you DO SOMETHING, isn't it??? Well,Ted didn't do it and...he failed!

[brukup1]

Anyway, the lesson in this is that people need to look to God directly for their spiritual fulfillment and not look to church leaders. See church leaders for who they are, people who are or should be also trying their best to refect God. Church is a place or an organization where people help each other in their mutual goal of living a spiritual life.

[brukup1]

It is so sad how society makes these rules that destroy peoples' lives. So many people live in misery because society decides that people born gay should live a life against their natural tendencies, tendencies that are not harming anyone. I am a heterosexual who hates every kind of oppression. How many of his fellow pastors or church members have closeted lives of one kind or another. Godliness is living with love, caring about each other and not hurting others - not all these other things.