Free will - an illusion

A slideshow hopefully will make you think about the concept of free will. This is my personal opinion and shall not be considered as an act of aggression.

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• thoughts
• free will
• determinism
• existence

[SpazzzDog]

Quantum mechanics is indeterministic. Since our consciousness ultimately emerges from the quantum realm, it is ultimately not deterministic. That is where free will comes from, the indeterminacy of the quantum world.

[msituautism]

Free will can not come from the "quantum realm". If in fact QM is indeterministic then it is random. Then every of your actions are caused by random events and your actions are certainly not free. So free will do not exist.

Actions are either causal or random.

[AfricanPrince]

Nice short video, the ending kills the idea of free will being an illusion and cold and amoral.

[msituautism]

Thanks for the comment.

There are several definitions of free will. This slideshow talk about free will as:

"if you get to the exactly the same choice with everything else being same then you will go the same thing"

If you can choose between A and B and make a choice A. The next time you get to choose between A and B then the situation is not the same cause you already made a choice the last time.

Moral can coexist to non-free will. To bear in mind that moral is subjective.

/R

[SpazzzDog]

"if you get to the exactly the same choice with everything else being same then you will go the same thing"

Well first, in reality how often does that even happen? The only time it can happen to any degree of high fidelity is in a controlled experimental environment. Can you cite any research done in cognitive science which has attempted such an experiment to test free will?

[msituautism]

Yes I can cite research in free will.

The experiment above can not be tested because you need 2 identical universes and hence need to be outside the universe. But here some science:

Google: Benjamin Libet half second

Google: free will fMRI John-Dylan Haynes

How you will act can be shown in your brain some second before you become aware of it.

[henryporter101]

"Indeterminism does not confer freedom on us:I would feel that my freedom was impaired if I thought that a quantum mechanical trigger in my brain might cause me to leap into the garden and eat a slug"-J.C.C Smart.Even if events are undetermined,it doesn't follow that we determine events.

[SpazzzDog]

Quantum mechanics isn't random par se, but probabalistic. Every macroscopic phenomenon we see is an emergence from the microscopic, quantum world. But is everything random? No, hardly. How the deterministic emerges from the indeterministic quantum world isn't understood, but it happens. But what I realized is, I need to better explain how quantum indeterminacy might undermine the deterministic materialist opinion.