@clayhutchins That makes sense, I guess I just have trouble seeing how death would preserve someone's soul. If they aren't in Christ, then death would condemn them, and if they are I'd think they would be saved whether or not they died. I couldn't tell if 1 Cor 11:32 was saying that God was disciplining those who had fallen asleep, or disciplining those who hadn't by the example of those who had. Thanks for your answer.
@kmaricq I wrote that with the underlying assumption that it is in fact God and not man that preserves his own soul. If God left it completely up to our human will power to preserve ourselves, we surely would fail. But God intervenes, which keeps us believing. Could God have preserved these Christians using some other means than death - such as an increase of faith? I think so. But here he chose to use death, perhaps to show us that even in his judgement, he is always acting out of love for us.
@kmaricq I can think of a few possible answers, here. I'll put forth just one. John 10:29 says no one can snatch those who are truly saved from the Father's hand, but how is that so? Because we are being kept for salvation by God's power (1 Peter 1:5). Meaning that God will always act to preserve those who are truly his. He does this in many different ways, whether it be discipline (Heb 12:4-11) or death (1 Cor 11:32) or cutting short the tribulation (Mark 24:22), God will act to save his elect.
@clayhutchins That makes sense, I guess I just have trouble seeing how death would preserve someone's soul. If they aren't in Christ, then death would condemn them, and if they are I'd think they would be saved whether or not they died. I couldn't tell if 1 Cor 11:32 was saying that God was disciplining those who had fallen asleep, or disciplining those who hadn't by the example of those who had. Thanks for your answer.
kmaricq 1 year ago
@kmaricq I wrote that with the underlying assumption that it is in fact God and not man that preserves his own soul. If God left it completely up to our human will power to preserve ourselves, we surely would fail. But God intervenes, which keeps us believing. Could God have preserved these Christians using some other means than death - such as an increase of faith? I think so. But here he chose to use death, perhaps to show us that even in his judgement, he is always acting out of love for us.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
@kmaricq I can think of a few possible answers, here. I'll put forth just one. John 10:29 says no one can snatch those who are truly saved from the Father's hand, but how is that so? Because we are being kept for salvation by God's power (1 Peter 1:5). Meaning that God will always act to preserve those who are truly his. He does this in many different ways, whether it be discipline (Heb 12:4-11) or death (1 Cor 11:32) or cutting short the tribulation (Mark 24:22), God will act to save his elect.
clayhutchins 1 year ago
I'm confused. How can killing someone save them from condemnation unless it is possible to lose one's salvation?
kmaricq 1 year ago
Hmmm....! Very Good!
lucasdasilvamaria 2 years ago