Embodied Cognition

"Philosophy in the Flesh" by Lakoff and Johnson

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[pyrrho314]

wait a moment... the brain wrapped itself, evolutionary, around the fact that the sun rises... for billions of years it has seemed to rise, and the brains have comprehended or reacted to that their whole existence... there is no reason for us to evolve a realization that no, we go around the sun... in other words, the brain can and will evolve around misinterpretations that are strong enough to be in play for millions of years. e.g. intuitive, not-careful, ideas of cause and existence.

[0ThouArtThat0]

The discovery of the heliocentric solar system is to me an expression of the evolutionary motive to understand. It is expressed most fully by the human being, as other animals are driven mostly by pain and pleasure. I should be clear that I see evolution as a process directed by more than mere chance and necessity. Included with these factors are will, creativity, and a need to see and know more deeply. I'm a sort of materialist, but not ashamed to say I think Matter has an evolutionary telos!

[mindzwitness]

@pyrrho314 I would say that both perspectives are right. Each depends on a particular POV. From earth, the sun *does* go around us... the math, complicated though it may be, does work. The heliocentric POV is simpler, especially when taking into account the many other stars in the universe. IOW, it's less subjective; so we adopt it.

[Cashify]

Here is a picture of the envelope of an electromagnetic waveform with no space to move around in, no time to do the moving...see it? ---->

Me either.

[pyrrho314]

it does not make sense to say the brain is "empty"... it is full of these perceptions, this is not a matter of natural philosophy nor metaphysics, it's the defintion of empty... to say these perceptions are nothing makes no sense of the word nothing. One can say, they are made of a fine mist... or energy, and may mean "nothing" by that, but whatever it is, it's something.

It's not empty except perhaps empty of some mysterious expectation for real realness.

[Cashify]

If the error is that a brain is more than an empty changing dream passing through awareness, the error is not built INTO a brain because there is no brain. In such a case it is the misidentification, not-careful as you say above, which is itself the appearance of body, brain, and subsequent brain generated perceptions.

[Cashify]

"Life wants to survive"

Post defecation, how does it not trouble me to flush away what was formerly indistinct from LIFE, from ME. Perhaps because I have recognized that crap is not life, but is an appearance passing through life experience. Crap doesn't want anything unless life starts to believe life is crap and therfore can change and fade away. Life cannot die. Forms change and fade. No form can appear without life. Life does not require form to be. I am life. You are that too.

[pyrrho314]

thanks for the book recommendation matt... I probably will like it.

[pyrrho314]

in other words, our brain forms around our particular perspective on the world... those parts of that perspective which are merely functional errors will become "built in" to the brain.

[pyrrho314]

frued would have a field day with you limp!