I'm done explaining this. From now on, every theist who claims there is no logical reason for atheists to have absolute morals will be pointed here. If you have been pointed here, you have succeeded in annoying me.
At the the end of the day, morality is a choice. Whether we are moral or not has little to do with our religiosity or lack thereof. There are moral believers and non-believers, as well as IMmoral believers and non-believers. And if you honestly think there would be no reason to choose morality without god, it says far more about you than any atheist.
Religious people don't like to think about it, but there is NO absolute standard of morality. All religion does is give people a FALSE sense of absolution - a feeling that their mores are set in stone. How, then, do we define what is right and wrong? Through discussion, reason, observation of the human condition, a desire for social stability, natural conscience, etc. Religious morality was born of such efforts, and now, we can do so again - this time without superstition.
It's kind of funny. Atheists aren't immoral, yet theists say we are. Theists love to tell us what they think we do, because we have no religious guidelines. But what basis do these people have? Only one: Their own experience. Their own 'what would I do without god' idea's. In other words, THEY would do those immoral things if they had no god. God is the only thing stopping them. Yet we, without god, whom don't do those things anyway, are the immoral ones?
@sailornaruto39 and a reaction to a chemical is not an illusion.If you smoke something and see stuff that isn't there that is an illusion, but part of the brain is feeling, it is suppose to happen, you know natural brain activity
CONT - You're saying that the SS Officer who splattered the baby's head on the wall at the death camp was not committing murder because HE FELT NO EMPATHY! his brain DID NOT interpret the sensory data of the people crying and being killed as wrong and felt no remorse or empathy. According to that "reasoning and rationale" (YOUR WORDS), the act of murder is not wrong in any culture where they lack empathy or where they consider it RIGHTEOUS! You can't have it both ways.
@Sanquinity Very well said.
pumrel 1 month ago
At the the end of the day, morality is a choice. Whether we are moral or not has little to do with our religiosity or lack thereof. There are moral believers and non-believers, as well as IMmoral believers and non-believers. And if you honestly think there would be no reason to choose morality without god, it says far more about you than any atheist.
Ashiman12 2 months ago
Religious people don't like to think about it, but there is NO absolute standard of morality. All religion does is give people a FALSE sense of absolution - a feeling that their mores are set in stone. How, then, do we define what is right and wrong? Through discussion, reason, observation of the human condition, a desire for social stability, natural conscience, etc. Religious morality was born of such efforts, and now, we can do so again - this time without superstition.
Ashiman12 2 months ago
Oh really? Fortunately we can count on genetic variability and corporate psychopaths like me are laughing at your Absolute Morality based on biology.
WarmongerWW3 3 months ago
This logic is deeply flawed.
42mada 4 months ago
It's kind of funny. Atheists aren't immoral, yet theists say we are. Theists love to tell us what they think we do, because we have no religious guidelines. But what basis do these people have? Only one: Their own experience. Their own 'what would I do without god' idea's. In other words, THEY would do those immoral things if they had no god. God is the only thing stopping them. Yet we, without god, whom don't do those things anyway, are the immoral ones?
Sanquinity 5 months ago 2
@sailornaruto39 and a reaction to a chemical is not an illusion.If you smoke something and see stuff that isn't there that is an illusion, but part of the brain is feeling, it is suppose to happen, you know natural brain activity
sailornaruto39 5 months ago
@sailornaruto39
CONT - You're saying that the SS Officer who splattered the baby's head on the wall at the death camp was not committing murder because HE FELT NO EMPATHY! his brain DID NOT interpret the sensory data of the people crying and being killed as wrong and felt no remorse or empathy. According to that "reasoning and rationale" (YOUR WORDS), the act of murder is not wrong in any culture where they lack empathy or where they consider it RIGHTEOUS! You can't have it both ways.
ChristianVoice08 5 months ago