De Valera VS Churchill (3/6)
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Im sad to say dev was probably right. Its one thing offering a united ireland but how the hell was Churchill going to deliver it
Burncourtable 4 months ago
@velvet01able Dev was coward? I would have thought that it took great courage to resist all that pressure from the UK and the US and uphold the democratic will of the Irish people and remain neutral. You were fighting for democracy, right?
The offer of NI was not realistic as the Unionists had not been consulted.
The irony of an American accusing Eire of harbouring Nazis when the US built a missile defence and space programme around doing the same is amusing (must be an American thing).
jratt2 6 months ago
Dev was a coward, pure and simple. After watching what Collins went thru, then backing away from possibly getting NI, how can you micks stand the thought of him? Hell, Ireland even harbored a bunch of Nazis (must be a Cathoolic thing).
velvet01able 7 months ago
@CheethamHillRed if u mean priests...i guess ur right...
lac6480 8 months ago
@93rardo and you cant trust kiddy fiddling paddys
CheethamHillRed 9 months ago
@lsnows No there was no dea on offer as far as I'm aware, though the US put the Irish under huge pressure to join in. Consequently de Valera actually got on better with the British and German diplomats in Dublin while he and the US Ambassador couldn't abide each other.
jratt2 1 year ago
What the hell did Dev think would have been Eire's fate, had Britain succumbed to the Nazis?
Put's it perspective for me at least!
DonegalRaymie201 1 year ago
Beware of the promises of a desperate man! ("The Angler and the Little Fish," Aesop's Fables)
(Gandhi is believed to have quipped that it was a "postdated cheque on a failing bank".)
gordonthrustphd 1 year ago
You cannot trust the devious Brits.
93rardo 2 years ago
The Brits made one huge mistake: they tried to convince Dev themselves. The one who should have at least tried to convince Dev was Roosevelt. Roosevelt was politically more palatable to Dev as he lacked the personal and political baggage that Churchill had. It's not implausible that the U-boats could have been defeated earlier in the war, had Eire allowed allied access to ports and airfields in Western Ireland. Can anyone tell me if Roosevelt ever tried to talk Dev into some sort of deal?
lsnows 2 years ago