Is God Necessary for Morality? William Lane Craig vs Shelly Kagan Debate

"Can we really be good apart from God?" Yale philosopher Dr. Shelly Kagan defends the idea of morality without God in a debate with Dr. Craig that questions the basis of many views that are held today.

William Lane Craig's Divine Command Theory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_c...
Secular ethics overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_...
What is secular humanism? http://www.secularhumanism.org/index....
Humanist Manifesto: http://www.americanhumanist.org/Who_W...

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[Hume2012]

I was a TA for Kagan when I was a graduate student and I enjoyed his deflating this blowhard and professional defender of the faith. Few of the best minds in philosophy engage in philosophy of religion these days but one will still not see Craig on the reading lists in graduate courses in philosophy for good reason.

[Hume2012]

Where on earth do you get this notion that we cannot have a justification for rationality or logic without presupposing a "theistic worldview." That is very humorous.

[Isaac Halls]

The real issue here is your misunderstanding of what a worldview is: You and I disagree that God can stillby/have a mind and have atemporal existence. Well that's fine, but you can't demonstrate that an infinite atemporal being can't exist. So we're left to deciding who's worldview is more consistent. Unforunately for you you don't even have a justification for rationality or logic without presupposing a theistic worldview. I'm done now, feel free to have the last word.

[Jason Barr]

"Unforunately for you you don't even have a justification for rationality or logic without presupposing a theistic worldview. I'm done now, feel free to have the last word."

You keep repeating this but it is false. Read below, I accounted for logic and rationality.

[Jason Barr]

"The real issue here is your understanding of what a worldview is: You and I disagree that God can still be a mind and have atemporal existence. Well that's fine, but you can't demonstrate that I'm wrong. "

So I guess you are not done.

Also Yes I can. I have demonstrated that. A thought is defined a process. Processes cannot take place atemporally as that defies what it means to be timeless. You are calling something not a mind, a mind. It is the same thing as calling an apple an orange.

[Isaac Halls]

You proped up a redefined concept of God and placed contradictory and external restraints upon it in order to knock it down. Good for you...