Michael Shermer Jonathan Wells Evolution Debate [4 of 7]

At the CATO Institute.

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[BillKiernan]

What a bunch of slippery, sleazy, lying bastards the Discovery Institute is. No one belonging to it has any integrity, they will do anything to push their agenda, they have no scruples.

[rokkvi1]

I would also recommend finding a youtube video called "Ken Miller on Intelligent Design" for anyone who thinks ID is valid as well as looking up "Dover trial" on wikipedia and watching "Judgement day, Intelligent Design gets it´s day in court" on youtube. ID is really religion disguised as science. Look up "Wedge strategy" on wikipedia if you don´t believe that.

[logicCplusplus]

@faircompetition1

Humans know roughly 1 percent of what there is to know about the universe, could it be that the more arrogant you are the more likely you think you know more than we currently know?

Tell me, what isn't magical/supernatural about the universe? Have you opened up your eyes lately?

[faircompetition1]

@logicCplusplus No he clearly said that you can believe in god and evolution - like Pope John Paul II for example, and then honestly explains that ,many scientists are not theists. Could it be that the more you know about the universe the less likely you are to think it was brought about by magic?

[faircompetition1]

@Ematched kind of 1984 double speak isn't it

[faircompetition1]

@Oreceo Good argument, if god did not need a designer, and he exists , then we have proof positive that complex intelligent existence does not need a designer so no god needed to design us.

[faircompetition1]

Wells complains that scientists who claim ID loose their jobs and are discriminated against. If an astronomer insisted the sun went around the earth despite all the evidence you would have to fire him for incompetence. He is unable to objectively weigh the evidence - a fundamental job requirement. . Why would a university have to employ a man that demonstrates incompetence in his chosen field?

[TheNamesBettyNyahhh]

@logicCplusplus Where on earth do you get your 'facts' from? I don't even know where to start with this spatter gun of rambling claims... Lets put aside the 'evidence' for the moment; what do you claim IS the explanation for the varied and complex life on earth and over what period of time do you claim this has taken place?

[TheRightThinker]

@logicCplusplus Lol that statement is true, that means species cannot evolve from 1 to another. Organisms vary from 1 or chromosomes to few hundred. How did that happen?

[logicCplusplus]

@TheNamesBettyNyahhh

As for mutations, Random Variations, there is minimal verified 66.66...% chance a mutation will be detrimental, that means Darwinian Evolution is now obsolete to even consider itself a "creator" of bio-information based systems. Natural Selection of course, only works after the random variation takes place, so it will select more deleterious mutations which results in nothing more than genetic entropy.

[logicCplusplus]

@TheNamesBettyNyahhh

I'm afraid my claims are completely backed up by evidence in molecular biology. For protein domains for example, homology of each protein is less than 10-15 percent, you know what that means? That means that each and every single protein is a distinct engineering marvel from translation to transcription to the protein folding process, and yet are completely interdependent on each other to work correctly.