Libertarianism and Game Theory

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[JohnScott700]

dis·al·low (ds-lou)

tr.v. dis·al·lowed, dis·al·low·ing, dis·al·lows

1. To refuse to allow

[aaron0883]

Thanks for the condescending reply that means nothing.

Libertarianism is a concept.  It has no guns and has absolutely no power to allow or disallow anything. There is no magic Libertarian god to invoke the nature of the will of Libertarianism and force people to do things. What do you mean by doesn't allow?

[JohnScott700]

Concepts do not have physical power, that's self evident.

The concept of democracy allows the majority to direct government. Not physically, but conceptually.

Are you beginning to understand the idea of concepts allowing or disallowing?

[aaron0883]

not really.

Democracies disallow things by making an organization that points a gun at peoples heads and steals their money ... and than voting how those funds should be used to have the organization point more guns at more people.

What is the process that you are saying libertarians use to disallow something?

[JohnScott700]

Libertarianism doesn't allow the killing of Jews, or slavery. Seems you don't understand Libertarianism at all.

[aaron0883]

I understand libertarianism well. when you say "doesn't allow" ... What does that mean?

[NoCryingNowYes]

How many people are being killed, tortured or stolen from because of state action or state influence, vs how many because of other reasons?

The KKK, Black Panthers and the muslim terrorist organizations would not exist in the context of a stateless society.

Racists project the problems that the state generates onto another race that is polluting their state.

Muslim terrorists do that as well, but they're mostly against other states. They're against the US, against Israel, against the UK, etc.

[razerfish]

Libertarianism doesn't promise perfect society and rests on idea that a less than perfect society based on freedom is better than a society attempting perfection using coercion to achieve it. It never promises utopia, which you seem to demand from it. And much of what you describe couldn't happen -- enslavement of women or killing of Jews or blacks - violates non aggression. That regulates behavior pretty well, don'tcha think?

[billythebrainsoftain]

Perhaps you're confused about Libertarianism?! Your argument about slavery is invalid and holds no water. Libertarian principles are responsible for ending slavery. Libertarianism, at the core, is about self ownership, NOT owning other people.

[rayyf69]

@ j.scott "The concept of demcy allows the majority to direct gov. Not physically, but conceptually. "

What you said is False, See Condorcet or see K. Arrow's impossibility theorem. In addition you can suppliment this with P. Converse on rational ignorance as well as M.Olson on "logic of collectives" dmocrcy does not provide a proper discovery of global preference order. Democrcy is terrible at creating efficient institutions. Ignorance n error do not cancel Macknzie (03) "use of knwld ab soc"

[incogn39r0]

GTist doesn't simply believe that individuals are out simply for money. At a macro level this may be the simplest way to apply GT, but a true GTist. Interviews individuals in search of what ones interests are. So you will take into account the racist, the poor, the weak, etc. & attempt to play these pieces out as best as you can. GT in its simplest form Is a critical part of lib-ism, since for such lose rules to exist, there needs to be a belief that @ "in-game" players evolve, and equal out.

[JohnScott700]

Most libertarian conceptions of government (Randian, Lockean) posit a constitutional government (democratic or otherwise) which uses force to protect individuals from violations of their freedom. That would preclude slavery and killing of Jews, etc.