Liberal Fascism (4) - Jonah Goldberg ** UNEDITED **
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"Bush is a statist in suspending habeus corpus"
I assume you're talking about the imprisoning of Islamic terrorists? Habeus corpus only applies to American citizens, non-citizens don't have this right. He hasn't suspended anything.
3 years ago 17
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@historygenius, @herrschenkel, @hegemonymony, @dmfc593,
Goldberg clarifies a lot here.
But Nationalism is not synonymous with socialism as suggested in Pt.3. Nationalism can and should have both a regulated market economy and a thriving commons within a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
Any 'coercive socialism' is unethical. And it's almost always the Leftists who organize 'thug groups'('brown shirts'/ UAF) to disrupt or push-around dissenting speakers, demonstrations, etc.
Ask Ward Connerly.
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There is one interesting dichotomy between communism & fascism. The three great fascist regimes (Yamato Japan, Nazi Germany & Fascist Italy) all rose in industrialized countries that felt they got the shaft in WWI that were all newcomers to the international stage (Japan was united in 1867, Italy in 1861 & Germany in 1870). Whereas the great communist revolutions occured in agrarian aristocracies with old dynasties (Russia in 1917& China in 1949)
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@iiiiihexiiiii Better yet, the precedent for imprisoning Muslim terrorists comes from the similar treatment of accused Nazi saboteurs during the administration of FDR.
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Agreed!
Capital L Liberals are the antithesis of classical liberalism. Shame on them.
1 year ago 6
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(cont) I suppose it's more of a facade of private ownership, but it definitely wasn't classless like Bolshevism claimed/tried to be. There's a potential for authoritarianism in the economic political spectrum. There was Pinochet with capitalism, The totalitarian Bolsheviks (and oh so many others) with Socialism, and the Fascists in the middle.
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Ha, I like this guy's sense of humor. But I would not necessarily say that Fascism and Socialism are almost the same thing when you remove national/international aspect. Well, at least not in theory. I've heard Fascism described at "extremism of the middle" (and I love to mention that to people that say we should compromise, or be bipartisan or whatever), which makes sense, since the Fascists still allowed private industry, it was just heavily regulated.
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@TylerNull Yeah, I'm sort of like the kid in Family Ties. A seventeen year old arch-conservative who isn't taking any "liberal" crap. And I attended a private school and am currently attending a public high school, and I'm not to keen on the blatant liberal propaganda presented as the ONLY way of thinking. My generation is comparable to fascist lemmings.
2 years ago 5
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5:02 "Liberals of the 1930's look to the soviet union(ie communism) for inspiration. Absolutely true, more true than they looked at Fascism or national socialism"
He has gone on and on about how they are the same yet here he obviously implies they are different...
dmfc593 1 year ago
@dmfc593 Dog poo and cat poo are "different" too. But they're both poo.
TylerNull 1 year ago 5
"Let's beat up rich people and take their stuff." - statism in a nutshell
historygenius 2 years ago 11
@historygenius
Notably, modern Liberalism in a nutshell, too.
TylerNull 2 years ago 4
@TylerNull modern Liberalism is statism, fascism, communism, whatever you want to call it. Why don't us classic liberals take the word back from the word thieves?
historygenius 2 years ago 8
@historygenius
Okay. All we need to do is liberate education from their federally sponsored monopoly run by teachers' labor union, liberate the dead-tree media from their 90% control, liberate the movie and tv industry from their absolute control, ...
Men of reason have been attempting to fight that battle for generations, but I like your spirit.
TylerNull 2 years ago 8