BEHE CONCEDES IC SYSTEMS CAN EVOLVE
Here I present a theory first published in 2003 by Nicholas Matzke. For more details one can view his work at
http://www.talkdesign.org/f...
This theory is d...
BEHE CONCEDES IC SYSTEMS CAN EVOLVE
Here I present a theory first published in 2003 by Nicholas Matzke. For more details one can view his work at
This theory is derived from a wealth of data regarding protein homologies. It shows that a fully functional flagellum could evolve through multiple functional intermediates. Each step involves the modification of only a single protein. For more discussion on the actual proteins involved and their homologues see the link above.
When ID proponents ask what good is half a flagellum, well, ¾ a flagellum is good for dispersion, ½ a flagellum is good for attachment to substrates, ¼ a flagellum is good for regulated protein secretion.
This model based on a wealth of evidence shows that the flagellum could evolve. Since 2003 many experiments have confirmed what initially were only predictions or weak assumptions. Still, many fine details remain to be worked out regarding function, not origin. For example, how does the ATP synthase derived components impart the motion of active transport, or how does the Tol-Pal derived components actually spine the flagellum.
Behe in the Dover trial concedes that Irreducibly Complex systems can evolve.
Lawyer -- "You say, Even if a system is irreducibly complex and thus could not have been produced directly, however, one cannot definitively rule out the possibility of an indirect, circuitous route, right? Behe -- "Yes." Lawyer -- "And by indirect, you mean evolution from a pre-cursor with a different function than the system being studied?" Behe -- "Yes, different function, perhaps different number of parts, and so on."
To be fair, however, Behe claims that at a certain point of complexity an indirect route is impossible. But he gives no evidence to support this caveat.
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I also must almost commend you on your unrelenting faith in something happening completely at random (myriads of things that would have to happen in just the right order actually) that dwarfs the complexity of what the best human minds have ever concieved.
Truly not to be disrespectful, but this nothing more than science fiction. The mathematical probability against this process happening as described on here has to be just outrageous. This is not to mention all of the other things that have to come together just right as well. Yes, the complexity issue is "done to death" becaues it is true, sort of like 2+2=4; yes it gets "boring" but it is still true. And no, you have not refuted anything this so-called evidence.
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Just because it is too complex for you to understand how evolution works does not disprove it. I would suggest you educate yourself and learn what we have learned. That these things work together.
So you say, but I expect you are thinking that the flagellum was a goal. It's called the Texas sharpshooter fallacy. Additions that various generations stumbled onto gave rise (through branching descent and fairly frequent gene mixing) to subsequently more and more complex compilations.
No, I don't think of it as a goal. You can think of it as the opposite of a goal if you like. Yes, microevolution is possible. But there's no reason for a flagellum to magic itself into existence the way it did and have the same purpose. And we agree that yes, it all happens through "complexity." I'm fine with agreeing that you can add ridiculous things onto another thing and eventually get somewhere. The problem is, the odds aren't in your favor. Complexity does not = simplicity.
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Do you yourself know what your are saying?
Excuse me that I (as a bible believer) are not hypnotised with those very complex senteces (the "scientific cool babble talk" )