Problem with Universal Reconciliation

jjensenii asked some questions about the universalism theologies and the argument for universal reconciliation.

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[nrolett]

Why should it be incredible to you that God could restore even the devil? He can make a universe from nothing, but that clever old serpent got the best of Him. Philippians says every knee will bow, in heaven, on earth, and UNDER the earth. Of course, we know that Satan is not literally under the earth, but who else could this symbolism refer to. BTW Webster isn't any kind of authority on the meaning of an ancient Greek word. The fact that there is more than one eon proves it's not eternity.

[TheSaviouroftheworld]

Your own mouth said, when you were reading a quote from Miriam Webster online. That Aion means an indefinite period of time. Why then do you insist on it meaning and unlimited period of time?

[enthralledbylight]

@urbanrecon Eternal Death or damnation is all punishement. No matter which way you slice it, there will be eternal, without end, separation from God. That separation is what Christ and the apostles adamantly warned us against.

[urbanrecon]

@enthralledbylight the world hell in the bible usually means grave (look in greek concordance) or gehenna which was a trash dump that was kept burning 24/7 ancient Israel. How can anyone still logically believe there is eternal damnation if most words in the bible about hell and eternity have been mistranslated?

[enthralledbylight]

@urbanrecon Jesus is never victorious in the eyes of the sinner, however, to the saints, his uber victorious!

There is heaven to gain and a hell to shun.

[urbanrecon]

If a majority of the world is going to hell, how is Jesus victorious? Sounds like a victory for Satan. How can I experience peace in Christ if my dead relatives are burning in hell right now? What if the verses that mention everlasting punishment are mistranslated? What about all the people who have died before hearing about God, did they go to eternal hell?

I am on the fence about this issue and looking for the truth about it. It is not my intent to pick a fight or even defend Universalism.

[dubvishun]

satan & his crew are eternal beings ..so it would only stand to reason eternal punishment would seem logical for them. eye for an eye should yield a human who was not included within the "few will enter" but seems it should yield how ever long they lived after they reached accountability. but of course how dare lil ole me attempt "logic" to a holy god who is feared for perpetually destroying a soul way beyond the time they lived in their bloodsack fleshy thing sinning daily never stopping.

[graceexplosion]

@Cutie9326 I don't think you understand who and what Satan is. Satan is 100% evil as the spirit of sin. Lucifer, before the fall, is not the same "person" as Satan spiritually. The spirit of Lucifer before the fall was the Holy Spirit and Lucifer had a holy spirit. Annihilation of the unholy spirit of Satan, the spirit of sin and evil, is necessary for restoration of all. Satan did not exist prior to the fall of Lucifer and can be annihilated with nothing lost.

[graceexplosion]

@Cutie9326 I don't know who you think you are. I have been reading the Bible voraciously for 40 years in greater volume than anyone I have met. I have power by the Holy Spirit to receive rhema. Jesus fully destroyed Satan on the cross. There are many ways to see this. Satan's kingdom is not divided. Satan cannot be destroyed at all unless Jesus destroyed him fully. Remission of sins = annihilation of Satan. Satan is destroyed in the bodies/spirits of saints thus r we holy.

[JAKEHARRIS281]

@Cutie9326 Watch who you call a liar and a fool because NO he doesn't teach that satan is merely symbolic. You must have missed his entire article on "the origin of satan, evil, and sin."

[Cutie9326]

@JAKEHARRIS281 That guy is a liar and a fool. He claims that angels and demons are mere symbols for good and bad humans, when millions of people have reported sightings of evil spirits and have even been attacked or oppressed by Shadow Beings who tried to kill them. To claim that ALL scripture without exception are symbolical or parable is foolishness. He might as well say that Jesus' miracles, the flood and the resurrection were mere metaphores. Such absurdity...

[Cutie9326]

@potooth No scripture support anihilationism. Read the article "Eternal death", by Gary Amirault. Symbols and parables must not be interpreted literally. Also, physical death and destruction, yes, anihilation, no. One has to twist the scripture to make them say that and the original languages don't even hint at that...