Traditional Models Of "Free Education" Vs. Mine

Probably my last video on this subject. If people continue opposing it after hearing me out this time around, my guess is they'll continue opposing it no matter what.

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[kelco93]

Education should be free - "regurgitating facts and passing tests" =/= education.

More productive people is not as important as decreasing numbers of ignorant people!

In Australia we have free K12.

University (for residents) incurs no up-front fee. It's subsidised, but accumulates a tax debt. Universities fund themselves by enrolling fee paying foreign students (education is one of our biggest 'exports'). So we make money from exporting western values (mostly the good ones) to the world!

[AntiBullshitMan]

"passing tests" =/= education"

People who peddle this line just conflate the *process* of being educated with simply having mandates for students to ultimately *demonstrate* the knowledge gleaned, post process, but *still* as part of the course. Even now, the 2 are mutually exclusive. That's never even been an issue. The issue is: Ongoing tolerance of archaic strangleholds on pathways to certification. Unwillingness to accept that catering to short-term, teen oriented psychology, is a must.

[AntiBullshitMan]

Currently the process is a giant waste of time as its foundation fails to recognize (or accept) that students need to be given hands-on, practical incentive carrots ($). And having "Career day" tripe shoved in their minds earlier & earlier, is not it.

Asking teens to invest their best years doing something that most of them realistically have no genuine interest in doing, only works if their payoff is immediate. Especially for kids living in slumps/ghettos, where drop-out rates continue to soar

[AntiBullshitMan]

Lastly, the presumption that all/most students must jump through the same/similar hoops (physically attend, in the digital age, in order to qualify for any major test) is unfounded & leads to the suppression of technology for widespread redundancy, abundance of teachers (& salaries) & overly extortionist teachers unions whose sole purpose is to operate within the strict confines of the public worker's interest instead of the student's. The profession is obsolete, and roughly 80% of it has to go.

[kelco93]

@kelco93 Education should be about teaching people to think and to question and to challenge authority. Ultimately the world will benefit more by dispelling ignorance than by making people 'clever' (there will never be a shortage of clever people - half a dozen in any field an can change the world).

I think however we are in general agreement and I'm guessing that you're really opining about the specific issues you face in USA of which I am largely ignorant. Thanks for your time BTW.

[winterstellar]

"85% living off welfare permanently? THey should move to WEstern Europe then, the rates for welfare are WAY higher there. Was America the only country that accepted to let them in or something? Tough luck! Hehe, I'm joking a bit, rates are low in parts of Europe too, but they are MUCH higher, up to several times higher than minimum wage in America in other european countries. : )

[AntiBullshitMan]

"85% of refugees are living off welfare permanenty"

Which in all likelihood means that the particular services provided are overly generous. Before casting a verdict, I'd have to know what (if any) alternative Australia has to the "Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act" & other such incentive-to-work programs that typically go along with gov't handouts.

Taxpayer money going towards educating kids through an archaic method is entirely different from taxpayer money going to feed them.

[niknik2203]

@AntiBullshitMan What is your opinion on the extra entitlements granted to asylum seekers in the name of compassion? Should we give refugees more entitlements because of the ordeal they have had to overcome, or is this unfair and only serves to produce a mentality of entitlement and laziness?

Here in Australia, refugees are granted free housing, dental care, child care, public transport etc, which no one else is granted. Subsequently, 85% of refugees are living off welfare permanenty. Opinion?

[thesparitan]

@AntiBullshitMan LOL know how you feel. Debating these people causes major stress sometimes because there inability to have a rational debate. Even when you show a fallacy in their logical arguments they wont even accept it. I reminds me of a person I was talking to that believe nuclear bombs needed oxygen to work, and no matter what facts I offered him he wouldn't accept the truth of my claim. Why do you think they are so unable to think rationally? or debate properly?