Power of the Market - Fairness
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@MrReasonableThinking .Nobody is talking about innate abilities promoted by genetics. What we are talking about, for instance, is the difference in quality of education and resources for school districts of some neighborhoods vs. others. How can we reasonably expect children from disadvantaged schools to compete with children who attend schools with far greater advantages? The principles of this country are equality, not a second class citizenry. Society is controlling success. Thats the point.
flipgood89 2 weeks ago
........Property, then it is likewise immoral for them to delegate that task to a government, even a democratically elected one. When you subsidize something you get more of it; when you tax something you get less of it. What do you expect would be the result of taxing the generation of wealth and subsidizing dependence?
weavermama 2 weeks ago
@sasoslacek ....you're absolutely right...my comment should have been directed to someone else. My bad.
flipgood89 2 weeks ago
@flipgood89 LOL. I used the year 1913 because it was the year that the income tax was first levied on the American people. The Federal Reserve Act along with the economic central planning by BOTH Hoover and Roosevelt were responsible for the Great Depression. Are you aware that the 16th amendment conferred no new power of taxation? An individual cannot delegate to govt. a right he himself does not posses. If it is immoral for individuals to use force to deprive others of their rightful.....
weavermama 2 weeks ago
@flipgood89 I think you have the wrong person. I pay my taxes and have never claimed that taxes are a bad idea. In fact I think it would be a brilliant idea for the state to start collecting taxes from the rich as well as from the poor.
sasoslacek 2 weeks ago
@flipgood89 More simply:
How are we to solve the imbalance that nature (or god) has created?
We cannot. But by giving people freedom, we can at least afford people the best opportunity to rise through virtue, merit, and hard work.
Additionally free markets are the best means for improving the quality of life of those who have the least.
MrReasonableThinking 2 weeks ago
@flipgood89 (cont). No you didnt misinterpret my "of course not" response. Its just that phrases like hard work and merit dont paint a complete picture about our economic distribution, and often are inconsequential in who is rewarded. For instance, is Paris Hilton more talented, educated, and hardworking than all of the bottom fifth? How do we as a nation guard against an aristocracy like environment, and the disadvantaging of many in our populous, structurally?
flipgood89 2 weeks ago
@flipgood89 It is not the free market that creates inequality. You could blame it on god, nature, or random chance, but the fact that some people are born smarter, faster, happier, healthier, more attractive, or stronger is not the fault of free markets.
So, given the inequalities that exist in nature, how can we create the best society? As Friedman says, "A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both."
MrReasonableThinking 2 weeks ago
@MrReasonableThinking . We are in agreement that hard work produces better outcomes than laziness, but how are we to tackle the imbalance of opportunities? That imbalance indicates a structural and institutional problem, and a violation of our social contract which is, theoretically, unconstitutional. How are we to solve that imbalance that the free market has produced? Govt?
flipgood89 2 weeks ago
@weavermama ...I wouldnt use the economic character of the early 20th century as evidence to support your claims considering it was that environment which led to the great depression (centralization of wealth & lack of econ exchange). Empirical analysis of our tax structure and rates indicates a burden that is weighted in the middle. Thats unfair. The theoretical concept of paying taxes so that we promote a healthy, educated, safe populous is not. The quality of taxation is askew, not the idea.
flipgood89 2 weeks ago