Anne Marie Waters - Speaking out against Blasphemy Laws 2/6 World Atheist Convention 2011

Anne Marie Waters of One Law for All, speaking out against Blasphemy Laws at the World Atheist Convention on June 4th 2011.

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[gergsar]

I agree with her, religion will become extinct, given enough time...

[richo61]

@JakersNI "how exactly am I arguing against free thought?"

You are arguing FOR the indoctrination of school children with religious mumbo jumbo.

And no, not ALL religious people are for the teaching of religion in public schools - but a noisy loud obnoxious minority is strongly pushing for it. I oppose them/you whenever I can.

[petphotog]

There is no reason to promote such a law as the only one to be offended is a supernatural being. And as such, they should be able to deal with the person without others getting involved.

ANY person that enforces the law of a supernatural being displays the abject weakness of that being in not having the ability to punish those that offend it.

OR, perhaps, maybe this supernatural being has decided to show mercy, which, if a adherent to this being kills someone, they violate this beings will.

[MagicTellaVision]

Long live the Born Again Pagan Celts ; )

[JakersNI]

@JakersNI Also, there really wasn't any point to start throwing insults. Of course I've been reading what you've saying.

[JakersNI]

@Bumblybee256 "I don't believe in mnay moral absolutes, no." Then do you believe in any moral absolutes? Going back a step though, where did this force (or law) to always seek the survival of the species come from?

[Bumblybee256]

@JakersNI Nobody says so, that's how we've evolved, because that is what worked. Those rules gave stable societies (or ones more stable than others). Disagrees about what? When people have disagreements they have debates etc and put forward arguments.

The golden rule (do unto others as you would have done unto you) was thought up by human brains.........which evolved. And the preservation of body autonomy (from which many morals and laws spring) is a priority for all animals.

[Bumblybee256]

@JakersNI Is that having moral absolutes? Obviously in complex animals like ourselves a great deal of our behaviour relies on our parents teaching us the social norms that work, so it can go wrong. I don't believe in mnay moral absolutes, no.

You can see using the bible that our morality is evolved given that we no longer follow many things in the bible.

Clearly you haven't read a word I have said or you don't understand natural selection, it is NOT random. (contd)

[JakersNI]

@Bumblybee256 So, you do believe in moral absolutes then, that we all share and are innate in us all.ie. compassion? You believe that out random mutations we happened to evolve, and out of that we randomly evolved a sense of right and wrong? Who says the psychological wellbeing and happiness of a society's members is (or should be) the reason for morality? Again, according to who's standards? If someone disagrees with you about that, who's right?

[Bumblybee256]

@JakersNI I fail to see how the fact that they are evolved denigrates them in any way, yet that's the automatic position you take 'nothing more' etc etc. No, it's what makes a stable society- which includes the psychological wellbeing and happiness of the members. It's not that we 'should' care, we simply do, because it's innate. It's not an obligation.

Who's 'they? Your alternative is a book, why should it be trusted? What about the misogny, human sacrifice and slavery?