Ken Wilber on perspectives 2

We all know what it means to have 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person perspectives. But what does it mean to have 4 person, 5th, even 6th, 7th person perspectives?

(Frankly, I only understand up to 5th, possibly 6th person perspective. But because 6th person perspective in mass consciousness is largely not present, when the actual surface structures take place, the emergence of 6th person perspective could be fairly different from what Ken described here. If we were just to take the thinking structure of a luminary thinker as the next wave of consciousness, perhaps we shoot ourselves in the foot with a teleological bullet. If 6th person in collective awareness can be predicted so easily, it wouldn't be emergence... I sympathize with Ken here, his description of "vision" resonated with me immediately the first time I heard it.)

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[cacaolover1]

this is complicated - so If I have a 1p i can take my own view?

If I have a 2p i can take someone elses view

And if I have a 3p I can tell you what the 2p view of my view is - and I can tell you what the 2p view of the 3rd view is - or is it the 3p view of 2p - or both?

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[interwoven222]

lol, he said "let's call up Billy Bob to see if it's raining" heh must be raining in georgia

[CloudshadowMan1]

1-P - Your own perspective

2-P - Take the perspective of the other

3-P - Objective perspective and knowledge of 1-P, 2-P, and 3-P and think about thought.

May all beings be love.

[MaBu888]

perhaps post-turquoise, but it definitely has nondual sexitime with turquoise concepts such as AQAL, so to speak. I'll send you an e-book about this, and the author of that e-book has included a message in the end of that e-book that is a message to teachers, schools and educators so that they would start using Ken Wilber's Integral Operating System and the Integral Life Practice in teaching, among systematic use of humor and many other things. It has to do with trans-holarchical perspectives.

[MaBu888]

AQAL is a part of a mandala. In that mandala, which is dynamic and self-referential, because it is the mandala of mandalas, has the emptiness/causal in the center and the non-timeless elements surrounding it. The mmandala itself is the nondual union of the emptiness and the form that is timeful. But that mandala is not a part of AQAL, rather the opposite - the AQAL is a permutation of a piece of that mandala. Holarchy is just one useful integral perspective, while combination with others is...