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[sircamembert]

Has it occured to anyone that it's possible that liberals and conservatives want what's best for this country and want to do everything they can to help?

Or am I just taking crazy pills?

[galacticox4]

Liberals and Conservatives have different ideas about "what's best for the country" and solutions. For example when it comes a broken down elementary school, in a run down neighborhood, with gangs, gun violence and no jobs for the parents one group may think its best to fund the schools have jobs programs, etc. The other party thinks it's best to ignore them. Well to the people living in those conditions It's no comfort that they both think they want what the think i best for  the country.

[ishtarg8]

@GrandMasterFreshMpls

I disagree. I think this scene encapsulates one of the major themes of the show. Good people can hold diametrically opposed viewpoints, but still love their country equally, and want what's best for it, and for the people who live there.

[GrandMasterFreshMpls]

I love the west wing, but this scene is as cheesy as shit

[username666ization]

@galacticox4 I'm a liberal, but that's an incredibly unfair characterisation of conservative views. From what I can gather, the right-wing position would be that spending more money and setting up new programs is ultimately counterproductive and hurts the people it's supposed to help. I vehemently disagree with that, but it's not fair to characterise that as "ignore them".

I mean conservatives, of course, not Republicans. The latter *really* don't give a fuck about poverty.

[SciBishop]

Personally I think too many politicians are 'donkeys' and 'elephants' rather than Americans first. People who are nothing but jackasses and lumbering herd animals.

If only democrats would admit that perhaps sometimes Republicans are right about 'coddling' society with our spending vs supporting society and if the Reps would admit that at times sticking a gun in someone's face isn't always the best solution compared to diplomatic approaches which may be better in the longterm.

[bornbillsmith]

@philWynk You can read the Times online.

It doesn't cost anything and it only takes seconds.

It's great to generalize but read his column and try to understand what he wrote before making a judgement and then share with me your opinion.

[bornbillsmith]

@philWynk Didn't busch become President in the year 2000.

You're wrong about the surplus being gone by the year 2002.

Busch's argument for the tax reduction was to give backc some of this surplus to the people

Therefore while I can't prove it but by using logic I hink it safe to assume that Busch thought it was there.

[bornbillsmith]

@philWynk Maybe not where but by who and with whose money.

Who deregulated the banks so they didn't have to answer to higher authorities.

It's the people who had mba that got us into this mess so the fact you have one means nothing to me.

Read todasy's Times and tell me what you think of Friedman's column.

[bornbillsmith]

@bornbillsmith The reason the housing market went down was that people bought homes they should not have with the expectation that if they couldn't pay up their mortage they would be able to get their money back by selling their homes for more money then they paid.

When the market stopped increasing people realize that their house was worth less then what they owed on their morgage and found it easier to declare bankruptcy then to try to keep their homes.

[bornbillsmith]

@philWynk There was no collape in 2008.

It happened in 2007 before Obama became Preident.

If you remember it was Busch who first proposed the stimulus package.

Did you read today's Times and the article I mentioned by Friedman.

There was no 20 year growth pattern as you put it

The only growth we had was to our standard of living which had nothing to do with the health of the economy but was a reflection on our willingness to spend instead of saving.

[philWynk]

@bornbillsmith "Deregulation allowed finaniall instituion to take chances with their investing"

Besides, I was talking about Reagan's dereg that put the economy into a 20-year growth pattern. The Dem sound bite you're quoting is their excuse for the collapse of 2008 -- deregulation that took place in 2000, proposed by Phil Gramm. Please stop quoting sound bites and engage your brain, k?

The 2008 collapse was mostly due to Dem housing policy under Clinton and Carter, and fraud by FNMA.