Astronomy Creation Part 4

This is the part that deals with Distant Starlight. Taken for TJ and creationwiki

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Education

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• Evolution
• Distant
• starlight
• Gravittional
• time
• dilation
• decay
• speed
• of
• light
• creationist
• explain
• rebuttal
• to
• talk
• orgins
• John
• Harnett

[gonho1991]

I already heard some evos argue that, if in the past that great gravity that would make the time really existed to pass slowly, the earth would be destroyed by that gravity.

Does anybody know the refutation of that argument?

[kut77less]

//Does anybody know the refutation of that argument?//

He updated his model just this year, so you can look at that, but there is another way that time dilation could have happened, and that is by expansion of space

[agnat86]

After watching this, I have a few questions:

1. What has this to do with evolution?

2. What about radiometrically dated ages of the earth?

3. Why do creationist theories always require the universe to be vastly different in the immediate past?

4. Isn't it simpler to accept the model with the least extraordinary assumptions and, well, accept the possibility that God gave a metaphorical overview of history when he addressed a tribe of desert barbarians who had yet to invent physics and biology?

[kut77less]

1. Nothing

2. They were accelerated during the flood, and we have radio halos as evidence for this.

3. Because the present is not the key to the past. There are many things like the fall of man, and noahs flood that we have to take into account

4. Yes but that would be wrong.

[marcotenshi]

Surely the gravity would have to be, like beyond astronomical to achieve that...how would earth survive that?

[kut77less]

The model that I was refering to was Cosmological realtivity which works by expanstion of space= Time dilation.

[Spiritplumber]

Good presentation about what creationists believe, but are you making an argument for this stuff? I cannot tell. If you are, you need to add at least some justification for it rather than just describing. Needs more "why". If you aren't trying to do that, good job on keeping it concise and readable, although I question your choice of soundtrack.

ciao!

[esplin227]

In science you stick with a theory until a theory that accounts for more and makes better predictions is formulated. Why would they use a less accurate theory that requires more and more fixes?

[esplin227]

If this video serious? So when your model has a problem with it instead of testing it and trying to figure out whats wrong with it you just create more events that had to occur that are also untestable? Big bang cosmology is verifiable. That's why its taken as default. White whole cosmology is not because it does not add up mathematically. It keeps hitting dead ends and so you have to keep altering it to make it work.

[Drweavil]

I really get depressed by these kinds of videos, not because they are deliberately wrong or because the "science" in them is complete bunk, but because they set out to deliberately mislead people away from facts into this wonderland of lies and deceit and all because a bronze age book MUST BE CORRECT. This is not astronomy, this is pure rubbish, an arrogation of real truth and a denial of facts. I can only feel sorry for you for posting this utter nonsense and shake my head in pity for you.

[wherestym]

Here's another thing I don't get. While the earth ages seven days, the universe ages billions of years? The earth is young, but the rest of the universe is old? Again, this shows how you cling to the initial conclusion of a young earth to come up with a hypothesis for how it could be... by making the earth the only thing that is young. Thus, you're trying to do science in reverse = science FAIL. Oh, and go to your grade school English books and look up the difference between there and their.

[wherestym]

So... God stretched the universe our in Job and Isaiah, which is some time AFTER Genesis and the creation of the universe. So, since he didn't expand it until later, then when poor Eve reached up to get the apple from the tree, the gradient of the time dilation caused her to see her hand age rapidly in front of her eyes? Why is it that the bible can be taken in whatever pieces you need to make your world warm and fuzzy?

[marcotenshi]

Cosmological relativity? Is this the model that doesn't exist? Don't simply say things like "time dilation" and "expansion of space time" and think that that'll stump people.

How would earth not get destroyed?