SAFE CA Act (1 of 2) Press Conference to Replace Death Penalty in California

More info at http://taxpayersforjustice.org

Part 1 of SAFE CA Act Press Conference to Replace Death Penalty in California with Permanent Imprisonment on August 29, 2011 in Sacramento

Speakers in Part 1:

Jeanne Woodford
Gil Garcetti
Donald Heller
Gloria Killian
Judy Kerr

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Nonprofits & Activism

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• SAFE
• CA
• Act
• Press
• Conference
• Replace
• Death
• Penalty
• California
• Permanent
• Imprisonment
• Jeanne
• Woodford
• Gil
• Garcetti
• Donald
• Heller
• Gloria
• Killian
• Judy
• Kerr

[Misterunnamed]

Look, I'm not too sure about the death penalty either but you do realize permanent imprisonment will be a massive drain on tax money that can be spent on other things. Permanent imprisonment is not the right path to follow either.

[aclusac]

@Misterunnamed wrote: "I'm not too sure about the death penalty either but you do realize permanent imprisonment will be a massive drain on tax money that can be spent on other things"

The problem with this argument (as speakers in the video point out) is that permanent imprisonment costs LESS than the death penalty. For more info, see

aclunc(.)org/cutthis

Thanks for the comment

[Misterunnamed]

@aclusac

How they currently carry out the death penalty is more expensive, but only because of how they are forced to carry them out. Obviously that's not an argument you want to have, and you'll use every fallacy under the sun to defend your point so I won't waste my time or efforts to attempt to convince you otherwise. The point is, it costs $20,000+ a year to keep someone in prison. Over 20-40+ years, well...you can see how that money adds up. Neither option is a good one.

[aclusac]

@Misterunnamed wrote: "The point is, it costs $20,000+ a year to keep someone in prison. Over 20-40+ years, well...you can see how that money adds up."

No, the point is that just a death penalty trial costs over $1 million more than a permanent imprisonment trial, more than your $20,000/year X 40 years. Death row also cost $90,000/year more than general housing. These are FACTS, again documented at

aclunc(.)org/cutthis

I hope that helps clear up your misunderstanding and

thanks for replying

[ThirdRAILKink]

The Death Penalty's just wrong.

[kurtilein3]

@Chaoitcme

keep in mind that the 4 billion figure is the difference between the cost of death penalty and the cost of life in prison without parole. so yes, life in prison without parole has a cost attached to it as well, but the difference is HUGE. again, the 4 billion figure came about by starting with an even larger figure, and then substracting the cost of life in prison.

but i totally agree, punishments for non-violent crimes are much too high, greatly increasing prison population.

[kurtilein3]

@Chaoitcme

keep in mind that the 4 billion figure is the difference between the cost of death penalty and the cost of life in prison without parole. so yes, life in prison without parole has a cost attached to it as well, but the difference is HUGE. again, the 4 billion figure came about by starting with an even larger figure, and then substracting the cost of life in prison.

but i totally agree, punishments for non-violent crimes are much too high, greatly increasing prison population.

[kurtilein3]

oh shit, 46% of murders go unsolved?

in Germany or Japan thats close to 90% ! So each murderer has to assume that he will NOT get away with it. In California, 46% means that its by default even better than a coin flip, and murders where the killer is intoxicated or mentally unstable bias the numbers. So if you prepare and try to not get caught and are intelligent and educated, chances are MUCH BETTER than a coin flip that you will NOT get caught.

That is what fucks up safety.

[kurtilein3]

@Misterunnamed

you are wrong, the cost of life in prison without parole has already been substracted. these 4 billion are the difference between the cost of death penalty, and the cost of life in prison without chance for parole.

so you just misinterpreted the numbers, you say it needs to be substracted from the 4 billion figure, while that number is already the result of exactly that calculation and would be even higher otherwise.

[Chaoitcme]

I am against the death penalty due to the fact that many innocent people have been executed in the past. Sometime people are put on death row even though they did not actually commit the crime that they are being punished for. Life in prison is really expensive on the tax payer. I think that the answer is law reform. Too many people are being put in jail for non-violent crimes. Stop this and used to money save to actually go after real criminals.

[landers1983]

@aclusac Really, working in the criminal justice system, everyone knows that life, imprisonment cost way more than an actual death, from the death penalty. The only actual reason some cases show that, the cost is more, is because some of those criminals sit on death row, their entire lives, never actually being put to death. All these liberal ass fuckers want to do, is create a new tax so they can take your money and call it public safety, you know what works a hand gun, and a steady hand.

[SNight322]

@aclusac You're welcome for the reply. But does it also make you wonder why politicians run on mandatory minimum laws like "three strikes" and multi-year terms for victimless crimes.