Viva- Behind the milk mustache
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Human greed is a bottomless pit.
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@Vetlavonne No matter how much you don't like the idea, there will always be meat eaters. I will be there to protect the food that my fellow humans are consuming, and I will be there to provide "care" and compassion in a logical manner for my animal counterparts, making their lives on this planet, however long or short, as comfortable without disease or inhumane treatment as possible. Good luck in vet school, I hope your profs go easy when you cry on your first dehorning.
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@Vetlavonne I don't think letting animals gore each other is exactly "caring." There are changes needed in the animal production system, and the AVMA is initiating the process of developing an accreditation systems for the humane treatment of animals in production facilities, and for this very reason the role of veterinarians is growing in importance. Not only to ensure that the animals will be given proper medical treatment but to also hold the producer responsible for the AVMA regulations.
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@Vetlavonne It's fine. You probably don't eat meat. Which again is a whole different conversation. I said it before and I'll say it again. We evolved the way we did because we eat meat. Our protein sources evolved the way they did because we domesticated them. We do things like dehorning to protect not only ourselves during handling of the animals, but also to protect the animals from themselves. Even steers like to play headbutt every once in awhile.
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@Vetlavonne Sorry I'll take a doctor's word over a nobody like you
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I'm sorry I started this discussion, although I learned a lot through this. I thought about dropping out of my studies before, but now I know it's very important that people like me don't stop.The vets' attitude towards animal has to change radically, and they will. We're not going to be a henchman of the food industry anymore. Well, you are. I'm not. Call me a freak, a tree-hugger, call me illogical or even stupid and naive. I would call it passion. Compassion. Thanks for this discussion, bye!
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The only thing that's illogical is to say you care for animals and then help their exploiters. To dehorn a cow, for example, is not "caring" for it. It's mutilation. Where I live vets (who all think of themselves as animal lovers) do this. I don't think you can say you care for an animal and then mutilate it, I'm sorry - thsi IS illogical. You can't say you care for animals and then happily send them to be killed and even watch them die for nothing in a slaughterhouse thinking this were "right".
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@strongness13 I said care care and kill is not the same because I think it's illogical to first "care" for an animal but to do this for the only reason to afterwards kill it (we both know this is reality for farm animals). The whole animal-welfare works like that: oh, let's "care" for the animal, let's make the cages a tiny bit bigger and stop beating them before killing. But the result ist always the same, in the end the animal is dead.
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@Vetlavonne One more thing. This video is old as hell. The AVMA and the USDA would be all over this place if they were currently following under the same methodology. Think about it, do some reading and think about it. I really hope you're not a vet student because it would sadden me that my peers are illogical.
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@Vetlavonne "Care" and "kill" aren't the same thing? Of course not. You do everything in your power to provide care and support for any creature. That's not even the argument here. There are numerous groups that pump out videos like this with inaccurate and false info and the general public believes it. The same general public that thinks that milk comes from Safeway and their steaks from Wal-Mart. It's pure ignorance and you don't have to be in vet school to understand that.
As a nurse i notice that the hospital is full of overweight diabetic patients ! A lot of women with frail bone structures and infections. Colo-rectal cancer and heart diseases. SORRY no meat eaters or omnivores on this site, all VEGANS
Vegans are a waste of soy, fish and grain and promote deforestation i n the amazon and Asia.
eIioke 8 months ago 5
I was drinking soy milk until I saw videos like this.
i already know milk is not produced on a hay farm. So who gives a shit?
I'm drinking REAL milk from cows, I don't destroy cows, my skin is better, I sleep well and I feel ok. It's very unhealthy drinking soy milk anyway.
cochineaIake 8 months ago 5