The Doctrines of Grace, Declared by the Church Fathers (Part 1)

Sample quotations from various church fathers demonstrating a belief in what we today refer to as the Doctrines of Grace, or the "Five Points of Calvinism."

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For those who are skeptical or merely interested in the context or citation of these quotations, I recommend Part 4 of John Gill's book, "The Cause of God and Truth," where he dedicates 200 pages to this study, demonstrating the early church fathers' position on the doctrines of grace. You can read the book online here: http://www.pbministries.org/books/gill/gills_archive.htm (See part 4)

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[roaringwaterbay]

thanks for the axe grinding lesson.

[WarrantedFaith]

@droptozro My apologies, I did make one mistake. A portion of the collected quotes of Martyr are actually from Theophilus and Tatian (the portion, "free will has destroyed us," and the bird analogy). But if you just look up the references you will find all of it. Don't run searches for it; there are different translations. You need to read it for yourself to find it. Like I said, I can find more specific locations when I get the time.

[WarrantedFaith]

@droptozro You accused me of giving no proof. That is what I am responding to. It is a lie. I have multiple times linked you to where you can find the references. I also asked you if you could quote for me what those references are, so that I know that you actually bothered to read at the link I sent to you. You did not do that. I can't know what you actually are and are not doing when you're just telling me things, not showing anything.

[droptozro]

@droptozro

I don't understand how you can claim "I'm not dealing with it" when I've spent the last few days re-checking it again, and my documented books straight from their writings--and it cannot be located. The only way I could prove it to you is by reposting all of Justin's words in 500 word comment boxes--be logical please.

I've gone to your website too, I can deal with one point at a time T--of all your quotes--only one says a person was born a sinner, I don't disagree with the others

[droptozro]

@WarrantedFaith Okay, we can focus on one point at a time--but I posted the opposite--in context of the one above with reference--since I don't think Justin would contradict himself, but you deleted it.

"lie that I have given no proof, rather than actually interact with the material I have repeatedly pointed you to"

I haven't simply made assertions, I've spent much time searching for the original quote, and even of all places--the Calvinist CCEL website, don't you understand--it's not there?

[WarrantedFaith]

@droptozro Yes I removed your comments and I already told you why: You will not be permitted to comment here if all you are going to do is lie that I have given no proof, rather than actually interact with the material I have repeatedly pointed you to. That is not responsible discussion. I told you I will deal with what you have to share, when you can first deal with what I have already shared. You have still yet to DEAL with anything; you have simply made assertions.

[WarrantedFaith]

I will try to find you more specific locations later on when I have the time (Gill uses page numbers of whatever translations he's reading). I'm a bit pressed for time right now.

[WarrantedFaith]

@droptozro Sorry friend, but your *assertion* that "that quote is a fabrication" is NOT a responsible interaction with the material. You apparently haven't studied hard enough. I went back to the Gill resource myself last night, followed the references, and found everything in Martyr's writings. So you're going to need to INTERACT with the material, not just state you find it inconclusive. At least start by quoting me the references, so I can tell you've actually read Gill's treatment.

[WarrantedFaith]

@droptozro I don't know what else to say to you friend. I have pointed you directly to where you can find detailed documentation and explanation of everything quoted in this video, and more. It is not my problem if you are not going to deal with the content responsibly. You will not be permitted to comment further here if all you are going to do is lie that no proof is being offered when every time I respond to you I point you right to the references.

[droptozro]

@WarrantedFaith ...) any specific doctrines of Calvin. Especially when I have a video and another 15-20 quotes from my books that aren't even in that 2 part video which strictly speak against doctrines of Calvin on P of TULIP alone---and ALSO align them with that of the Gnostics in their interpretation.

Do a fuller study of more fathers... this is a tip of the iceberg, the Ante-Nicene church will rock your theological world if you think they support any of Calvinist doctrines.