3rd Diologue with Evid3nc3 - 3 - a further exploration

I continue to diologue and address in greater detail the nature of numinos experiences, the diffferences between numinos and other experiences, how we conceptualise from experience, and how those conceptualisations are also propositional, and not just about belief. I further discuss how propositional stanements and can verified and - or falisfied, and briefly look at how numinious experiences can be life enhancing, regardless of the way such experiences are conceptualised.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• God
• spiritulaity
• religion
• faith
• athiesm
• spirit
• numinos

[justwhoarebongorock]

Whilst interesting I would always suggest looking at the evidence without wanting one opinion to be correct.

If you believe in God you will use it as proof of his existence however if you don't and if you're not trying to disprove God you will look at it far more objectively.

Unfortunately for you, looking at it this way you're unlikely to come with an explanation that it is God's work.

[ironjohnlad]

The point of my video is that different assumptions or paradigms interpret the evidence differently. I am not convinced that anything is truly 'objective' although a neutral paradigm, at least allows for different possibilities in how to interpret the evidence.

[ProductiveMonkeys]

You spell it *dialogue. 

[TKnightcrawler]

@ironjohnlad We could know, if we experimented.

[TKnightcrawler]

@ironjohnlad Well from that response it is obvious to me that you have no interest in discovering the truth.

[ironjohnlad]

@TKnightcrawler Well it does not mean that they are not legitimate either ! Thats the debate we are having. LOL ! Maybe you hold to a philosophical paradigm that does not allow these things to be possible ? Are you a materialist philosophically speaking ?

[ironjohnlad]

@TKnightcrawler You do not need to be in a saled box to have a numinious experience, or a sense of presence. And reports D Hay ( exploring inner space) reports that these experiences can come unexpectidly, and are common to all people, not just religious people. People were reluctant at first to discuss theese experiences because of the taboo in our society, and the fear of being labled. But once people trusted him, the storys flooed out !

[ironjohnlad]

@TKnightcrawler Id you watched the whole vidoe, then I am not sureyou understood what I was saying. Prof Mearns is a athiest, ( he uses exestential language to describe his numinous experiences). Do you understand the difference between experience, and experiening, and the way we use langauge to symbloise and conceptualise that experience, and the propositiional content of that langauge ? This is at the heart of my argument, and this debate !

[TKnightcrawler]

@ironjohnlad It's a simple enough thing to test. Put someone in a vacuum-sealed, dark enclosure with a timer. Periodically for say, an hour or two, someone will walk by. Whenever someone feels a presence, they indicate the time they feel it.

I'm guessing since such an experiment is so simple and I've never seen reports of its wild successes, it was not successful.

[TKnightcrawler]

@ironjohnlad Yes, I did see the whole video. No, we get constant ideas from other people and it does not invalidate them. But it doesn't validate them either. Just because someone tells you God wears plaid doesn't mean he does. Or for that matter that there is a god.